Michigan Ballot for 2008: Proposal 1: Medicinal Marijuana

EDIT: Now that WordPress has a little option to put polls in your blog posts, I’ve added a poll at the bottom of my post (the end of the blog post, not the end of the comments).

As I promised yesterday, today I will be analyzing “Proposal 2008-01: A legislative initiative to allow under state law the medical use of marihuana,” also known as the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act

First, let’s take a look at the ballot language:

 Michigan Coalition for Compassionate Care

Ballot Wording as approved by the Board of State Canvassers

August 21, 2008

 

 PROPOSAL 08-1

 

A LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVE TO PERMIT THE USE AND CULTIVATION OF MARIJUANA FOR SPECIFIED MEDICAL CONDITIONS

 

The proposed law would:

  • Permit physician approved use of marijuana by registered patients with debilitating medical conditions including cancer, glaucoma, HIV, AIDS, hepatitis C, MS and other conditions as may be approved by the Department of Community Health.
  • Permit registered individuals to grow limited amounts of marijuana for qualifying patients in an enclosed, locked facility.
  • Require Department of Community Health to establish an identification card system for patients qualified to use marijuana and individuals qualified to grow marijuana.
  • Permit registered and unregistered patients and primary caregivers to assert medical reasons for using marijuana as a defense to any prosecution involving marijuana.

 

Should this proposal be adopted?

Yes ¨

No ¨

97 WORDS

Alright, so that’s what’s going to actually be on the ballot.  Now, here’s a copy of the amendments that this proposal will make to the Michigan Constitution, and I’ll have my analysis throughout the amendments as well as below:

 

 INITIATIVE PETITION AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION

A Proposal to Amend the Constitution of the State of Michigan by adding a new Article I, Section 27 as follows:

An initiation of Legislation to allow under state law the medical use of marihuana; to provide protections for the medical use of marihuana; to provide for a system of registry identification cards for qualifying patients and primary caregivers; to impose a fee for registry application and renewal; to provide for the promulgation of rules; to provide for the administration of this act; to provide for enforcement of this act; to provide for affirmative defenses; and to provide for penalties for violations of this act.

The People of the State of Michigan enact:

1. Short Title.

This act shall be known and may be cited as the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act.

2. Findings.

Sec. 2. The people of the State of Michigan find and declare that:

(a) Modern medical research, including as found by the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine in a March 1999 report, has discovered beneficial uses for marihuana in treating or alleviating the pain, nausea, and other symptoms associated with a variety of debilitating medical conditions.

(b) Data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Reports and the Compendium of Federal Justice Statistics show that approximately 99 out of every 100 marihuana arrests in the United States are made under state law, rather than under federal law. Consequently, changing state law will have the practical effect of protecting from arrest the vast majority of seriously ill people who have a medical need to use marihuana.

(c) Although federal law currently prohibits any use of marihuana except under very limited circumstances, states are not required to enforce federal law or prosecute people for engaging in activities prohibited by federal law. The laws of Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, Rhode Island, and Washington do not penalize the medical use and cultivation of marihuana. Michigan joins in this effort for the health and welfare of its citizens.

But the federal government COULD still come in and arrest a Michigander, so it’s not like this law would give immunity in those instances.

3. Definitions. Sec. 3. As used in this act:

(a) “Debilitating medical condition” means 1 or more of the following:

(1) Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, hepatitis C, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Crohn’s disease, agitation of Alzheimer’s disease, nail patella, or the treatment of these conditions.

(2) A chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces 1 or more of the following: cachexia or wasting syndrome; severe and chronic pain; severe nausea; seizures, including but not limited to those characteristic of epilepsy; or severe and persistent muscle spasms, including but not limited to those characteristic of multiple sclerosis.

(3) Any other medical condition or its treatment approved by the department, as provided for in section 5(a).

(b) “Department” means the state department of community health.

“Enclosed, locked facility” means a closet, room, or other enclosed area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.

(d) “Marihuana” means that term as defined in section 7106 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.7106.

(e) “Medical use” means the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, internal possession, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marihuana to treat or alleviate a registered qualifying patient’s debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.

(f) “Physician” means an individual licensed as a physician under Part 170 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17001 to 333.17084, or an osteopathic physician under Part 175 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17501 to 333.17556.

(g) “Primary caregiver” means a person who is at least 21 years old and who has agreed to assist with a patient’s medical use of marihuana and who has never been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs.

(h) “Qualifying patient” means a person who has been diagnosed by a physician as having a debilitating medical condition.

(i) “Registry identification card” means a document issued by the department that identifies a person as a registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver.

(j) “Usable marihuana” means the dried leaves and flowers of the marihuana plant, and any mixture or preparation thereof, but does not include the seeds, stalks, and roots of the plant.

(k) “Visiting qualifying patient” means a patient who is not a resident of this state or who has been a resident of this state for less than 30 days.

(l) “Written certification” means a document signed by a physician, stating the patient’s debilitating medical condition and stating that, in the physician’s professional opinion, the patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient’s debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.

That all sounds good to me.

4. Protections for the Medical Use of Marihuana.

Sec. 4. (a) A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the qualifying patient possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana, and, if the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility. Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots shall also be allowed under state law and shall not be included in this amount.

(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department’s registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed:

(1) 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana for each qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department’s registration process; and

(2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility; and

(3) any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots.

(c) A person shall not be denied custody or visitation of a minor for acting in accordance with this act, unless the person’s behavior is such that it creates an unreasonable danger to the minor that can be clearly articulated and substantiated.

It’s good that they put in a safeguard provision here.

(d) There shall be a presumption that a qualifying patient or primary caregiver is engaged in the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act if the qualifying patient or primary caregiver:

(1) is in possession of a registry identification card; and

(2) is in possession of an amount of marihuana that does not exceed the amount allowed under this act. The presumption may be rebutted by evidence that conduct related to marihuana was not for the purpose of alleviating the qualifying patient’s debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition, in accordance with this act.

I doubt they’re going to enforce that, since that would be pretty hard to prove, and arresting somebody with a card would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, unless it’s REALLY clear that they weren’t doing it for medicinal purposes.

(e) A registered primary caregiver may receive compensation for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient in the medical use of marihuana. Any such compensation shall not constitute the sale of controlled substances.

(f) A physician shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by the Michigan board of medicine, the Michigan board of osteopathic medicine and surgery, or any other business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, solely for providing written certifications, in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship and after the physician has completed a full assessment of the qualifying patient’s medical history, or for otherwise stating that, in the physician’s professional opinion, a patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the serious or debilitating medical condition, provided that nothing shall prevent a professional licensing board from sanctioning a physician for failing to properly evaluate a patient’s medical condition or otherwise violating the standard of care for evaluating medical conditions.

(g) A person shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for providing a registered qualifying patient or a registered primary caregiver with marihuana paraphernalia for purposes of a qualifying patient’s medical use of marihuana.

(h) Any marihuana, marihuana paraphernalia, or licit property that is possessed, owned, or used in connection with the medical use of marihuana, as allowed under this act, or acts incidental to such use, shall not be seized or forfeited.

(i) A person shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, solely for being in the presence or vicinity of the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, or for assisting a registered qualifying patient with using or administering marihuana.

Another good provision, but this provision could also easily be abused (you know a guy who uses medicinal marijuana, so you get high at his house while he’s using it legitimately.  Although the law doesn’t say that you can’t be questioned or detained).  Overall, it’s a good provision to have, to keep cops who don’t like this amendment from arresting people around medicinal marijuana users.

(j) A registry identification card, or its equivalent, that is issued under the laws of another state, district, territory, commonwealth, or insular possession of the United States that allows the medical use of marihuana by a visiting qualifying patient, or to allow a person to assist with a visiting qualifying patient’s medical use of marihuana, shall have the same force and effect as a registry identification card issued by the department.

(k) Any registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver who sells marihuana to someone who is not allowed to use marihuana for medical purposes under this act shall have his or her registry identification card revoked and is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 2 years or a fine of not more than $2,000.00, or both, in addition to any other penalties for the distribution of marihuana.

Good provision.

5. Department to Promulgate Rules.

Sec. 5. (a) Not later than 120 days after the effective date of this act, the department shall promulgate rules pursuant to the administrative procedures act of 1969, 1969 PA 306, MCL 24.201 to 24.328, that govern the manner in which the department shall consider the addition of medical conditions or treatments to the list of debilitating medical conditions set forth in section 3(a) of this act. In promulgating rules, the department shall allow for petition by the public to include additional medical conditions and treatments. In considering such petitions, the department shall include public notice of, and an opportunity to comment in a public hearing upon, such petitions. The department shall, after hearing, approve or deny such petitions within 180 days of the submission of the petition. The approval or denial of such a petition shall be considered a final department action, subject to judicial review pursuant to the administrative procedures act of 1969, 1969 PA 306, MCL 24.201 to 24.328. Jurisdiction and venue for judicial review are vested in the circuit court for the county of Ingham.

Sounds good to me.

(b) Not later than 120 days after the effective date of this act, the department shall promulgate rules pursuant to the administrative procedures act of 1969, 1969 PA 306, MCL 24.201 to 24.328, that govern the manner in which it shall consider applications for and renewals of registry identification cards for qualifying patients and primary caregivers. The department’s rules shall establish application and renewal fees that generate revenues sufficient to offset all expenses of implementing and administering this act. The department may establish a sliding scale of application and renewal fees based upon a qualifying patient’s family

income. The department may accept gifts, grants, and other donations from private sources in order to reduce the application and renewal fees.

“This card has been brought to you by Marge’s Marijuana Garden.”

6. Administering the Department’s Rules.

Sec. 6. (a) The department shall issue registry identification cards to qualifying patients who submit the following, in accordance with the department’s rules:

(1) A written certification;

(2) Application or renewal fee;

(3) Name, address, and date of birth of the qualifying patient, except that if the applicant is homeless, no address is required;

(4) Name, address, and telephone number of the qualifying patient’s physician;

(5) Name, address, and date of birth of the qualifying patient’s primary caregiver, if any; and

(6) If the qualifying patient designates a primary caregiver, a designation as to whether the qualifying patient or primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to possess marihuana plants for the qualifying patient’s medical use.

(b) The department shall not issue a registry identification card to a qualifying patient who is under the age of 18 unless:

(1) The qualifying patient’s physician has explained the potential risks and benefits of the medical use of marihuana to the qualifying patient and to his or her parent or legal guardian;

(2) The qualifying patient’s parent or legal guardian submits a written certification from 2 physicians; and

(3) The qualifying patient’s parent or legal guardian consents in writing to:

(A) Allow the qualifying patient’s medical use of marihuana;

(B) Serve as the qualifying patient’s primary caregiver; and

(C) Control the acquisition of the marihuana, the dosage, and the frequency of the medical use of marihuana by the qualifying patient.

(c) The department shall verify the information contained in an application or renewal submitted pursuant to this section, and shall approve or deny an application or renewal within 15 days of receiving it. The department may deny an application or renewal only if the applicant did not provide the information required pursuant to this section, or if the department determines that the information

provided was falsified. Rejection of an application or renewal is considered a final department action, subject to judicial review. Jurisdiction and venue for judicial review are vested in the circuit court for the county of Ingham.

(d) The department shall issue a registry identification card to the primary caregiver, if any, who is named in a qualifying patient’s approved application; provided that each qualifying patient can have no more than 1 primary caregiver, and a primary caregiver may assist no more than 5 qualifying patients with their medical use of marihuana.

(e) The department shall issue registry identification cards within 5 days of approving an application or renewal, which shall expire 1 year after the date of issuance. Registry identification cards shall contain all of the following:

(1) Name, address, and date of birth of the qualifying patient.

(2) Name, address, and date of birth of the primary caregiver, if any, of the qualifying patient.

(3) The date of issuance and expiration date of the registry identification card.

(4) A random identification number.

(5) A photograph, if the department requires 1 by rule.

(6) A clear designation showing whether the primary caregiver or the qualifying patient will be allowed under state law to possess the marihuana plants for the qualifying patient’s medical use, which shall be determined based solely on the qualifying patient’s preference.

(f) If a registered qualifying patient’s certifying physician notifies the department in writing that the patient has ceased to suffer from a debilitating medical condition, the card shall become null and void upon notification by the department to the patient.

(g) Possession of, or application for, a registry identification card shall not constitute probable cause or reasonable suspicion, nor shall it be used to support the search of the person or property of the person possessing or applying for the registry identification card, or otherwise subject the person or property of the person to inspection by any local, county or state governmental agency.

(h) The following confidentiality rules shall apply:

(1) Applications and supporting information submitted by qualifying patients, including information regarding their primary caregivers and physicians, are confidential.

(2) The department shall maintain a confidential list of the persons to whom the department has issued registry identification cards. Individual names and other identifying information on the list is confidential and is exempt from disclosure under the freedom of information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.

(3) The department shall verify to law enforcement personnel whether a registry identification card is valid, without disclosing more information than is reasonably necessary to verify the authenticity of the registry identification card.

(4) A person, including an employee or official of the department or another state agency or local unit of government, who discloses confidential information in violation of this act is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 6 months, or a fine of not more than $1,000.00, or both. Notwithstanding this provision, department employees may notify law enforcement about falsified or fraudulent information submitted to the department.

(i) The department shall submit to the legislature an annual report that does not disclose any identifying information about qualifying patients, primary caregivers, or physicians, but does contain, at a minimum, all of the following information:

(1) The number of applications filed for registry identification cards.

(2) The number of qualifying patients and primary caregivers approved in each county.

(3) The nature of the debilitating medical conditions of the qualifying patients.

(4) The number of registry identification cards revoked.

(5) The number of physicians providing written certifications for qualifying patients.

I have mixed views on this section.  On the one hand, I see the registration cards as unnecessary – why can’t we just have a prescription type system for this?  We don’t have cards for Vicodin.  On the other hand, I realize that the use of marijuana is  going to generally be a longer usage than other drugs.  Also, this makes it an easy way for cops to tell if the person is legally using marijuana.  Cops don’t go around checking prescriptions when they see somebody taking a pill, but it would happen with marijuana (even though using somebody else’s prescription is just as illegal as using marijuana is).  I think that it’s unfortunately necessary, but I just want the cost for these cards to stay down, so that the state isn’t wasting money on these.

7. Scope of Act.

Sec. 7. (a) The medical use of marihuana is allowed under state law to the extent that it is carried out in accordance with the provisions of this act.

(b) This act shall not permit any person to do any of the following:

(1) Undertake any task under the influence of marihuana, when doing so would constitute negligence or professional malpractice.

(2) Possess marihuana, or otherwise engage in the medical use of marihuana:

(A) in a school bus;

(B) on the grounds of any preschool or primary or secondary school; or

(C) in any correctional facility.

(3) Smoke marihuana:

(A) on any form of public transportation; or

(B) in any public place.

(4) Operate, navigate, or be in actual physical control of any motor vehicle, aircraft, or motorboat while under the influence of marihuana.

(5) Use marihuana if that person does not have a serious or debilitating medical condition.

Another good set of provisions.

(c) Nothing in this act shall be construed to require:

(1) A government medical assistance program or commercial or non-profit health insurer to reimburse a person for costs associated with the medical use of marihuana.

So that means Blue Cross / Blue Shield won’t cover it, and I’m doubting any insurance companies will.

(2) An employer to accommodate the ingestion of marihuana in any workplace or any employee working while under the influence of marihuana.

(d) Fraudulent representation to a law enforcement official of any fact or circumstance relating to the medical use of marihuana to avoid arrest or prosecution shall be punishable by a fine of $500.00, which shall be in addition to any other penalties that may apply for making a false statement or for the use of marihuana other than use undertaken pursuant to this act.

(e) All other acts and parts of acts inconsistent with this act do not apply to the medical use of marihuana as provided for by this act.

All those sound good.

8. Affirmative Defense and Dismissal for Medical Marihuana.

Sec. 8. (a) Except as provided in section 7, a patient and a patient’s primary caregiver, if any, may assert the medical purpose for using marihuana as a defense to any prosecution involving marihuana, and this defense shall be presumed valid where the evidence shows that:

(1) A physician has stated that, in the physician’s professional opinion, after having completed a full assessment of the patient’s medical history and current medical condition made in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship, the patient is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition;

(2) The patient and the patient’s primary caregiver, if any, were collectively in possession of a quantity of marihuana that was not more than was reasonably

necessary to ensure the uninterrupted availability of marihuana for the purpose of treating or alleviating the patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition; and

(3) The patient and the patient’s primary caregiver, if any, were engaged in the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the patient’s serious or debilitating medical condition.

(b) A person may assert the medical purpose for using marihuana in a motion to dismiss, and the charges shall be dismissed following an evidentiary hearing where the person shows the elements listed in subsection (a).

(c) If a patient or a patient’s primary caregiver demonstrates the patient’s medical purpose for using marihuana pursuant to this section, the patient and the patient’s primary caregiver shall not be subject to the following for the patient’s medical use of marihuana:

(1) disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau; or

(2) forfeiture of any interest in or right to property.

That all looks good.

9. Enforcement of this Act.

Sec. 9. (a) If the department fails to adopt rules to implement this act within 120 days of the effective date of this act, a qualifying patient may commence an action in the circuit court for the county of Ingham to compel the department to perform the actions mandated pursuant to the provisions of this act.

(b) If the department fails to issue a valid registry identification card in response to a valid application or renewal submitted pursuant to this act within 20 days of its submission, the registry identification card shall be deemed granted, and a copy of the registry identification application or renewal shall be deemed a valid registry identification card.

(c) If at any time after the 140 days following the effective date of this act the department is not accepting applications, including if it has not created rules allowing qualifying patients to submit applications, a notarized statement by a qualifying patient containing the information required in an application, pursuant to section 6(a)(3)-(6) together with a written certification, shall be deemed a valid registry identification card.

10. Severability.

Sec. 10. Any section of this act being held invalid as to any person or circumstances shall not affect the application of any other section of this act that can be given full effect without the invalid section or application.

Alright, so now, my analysis:

I’m voting for this proposal.  As I’ve stated before, I am continuing to debate with myself over the issue of marijuana as a whole, but I decided months ago that I was going to vote for this one.

I think the advocates for this proposal should be GLAD that the proposal to legalize all marijuana didn’t get enough signatures.  If both would’ve gotten on the ballot, I think that the all-marijuana proposal would’ve failed and people would’ve just voted both down (come on, you think people are really going to look information up?  They’ll just hear on TV: “Marijuana is bad,” not notice the difference between the two propositions, and both fail.

OK, so the blogger over at The things in my head go ’round and ’round just pointed out that I never said exactly WHY I’m voting for this proposal.  So, here’s why:

  • I don’t see why the government should make this an illegal drug, when there are drugs like Vicodin that have side effects that make you high as well.
  • The government hasn’t outlawed alcohol which causes much more damage than marijuana.
  • I don’t see marijuana as that dangerous of a drug.
  • Why should we limit the medicinal use of marijuana if it can help people?  It’s not like we’re just handing it out to anybody, it’ll be closely regulated.  I see little reason for why even people who oppose recreational use of marijuana should oppose this proposal.

Although I’ll be voting for this in November, I’m not a huge advocate of the proposal.  If it doesn’t pass, I’ll move on.  This just isn’t a huge issue to me.  I’ll be happy if it passes, but if not, it won’t be a huge deal to me.

However, I don’t think that’ll be an issue.  I think this proposal will pass, with voters voting along the lines of somewhere around 62%-38%.

Tomorrow I’ll be analyzing the stem cell research proposal, so come on back!

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159 Responses to “Michigan Ballot for 2008: Proposal 1: Medicinal Marijuana”

  1. Jason Gillman Says:

    Frankly I am of the camp that supports full blown Decriminalization anyhow.. It is hardly the affair of any government to restrict us from an act that is quite personal in itself and effects. (DONT EVEN TRY to compare this to the “personal” act of baby killing) The harm done to communities and family by it being illegal can be argued. Otherwise.. Not the fight I pick daily though.

    The complicated nature of THIS legislation not withstanding, it is better than nothing. I wonder openly, “has the supreme court ruled on the federal government’s role in state marijuana laws yet?”

  2. inkslwc Says:

    Jason, I’ve said before that I would’ve voted for full decriminalization, then I’ve gone back and said I’d have to think about it. While I feel that I would vote for decriminalization, I’m pretty confident that I’d be in the ballot booth for a few minutes contemplating what I should do for sure.

    As for your question, I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking. Are you asking if the federal ban on marijuana would overrule these state laws? If that’s your question, my interpretation would be that the federal ban does overrule the state laws, but only federal officials will have authority to enforce them, if state laws prohibit state officials from enforcing marijuana laws (now the legality of that I’m not sure).

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  4. Dude, Says:

    Dude,

    Drug companies are on to this – new Marijaitol and Reefilac – makes rolling old fashioned. Helps makes you regular. ANd promotes relaxing sleep.

    Think – now I can show up at work have stoned and it will be legal –

    Pass the chips. 😉

  5. inkslwc Says:

    What drug companies now? And you can’t just take the stuff so that you can sleep better – you can only get it if you have a disease that’s on “the list” and if you’re in pain, or have nausea, etc…

  6. Michigan Proposal 1 | The things in my head go 'round and 'round Says:

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  7. Eric Says:

    Also from the decriminalization camp btw. On the issue of the federal law and its application the federal law does trump state law and is enforced by federal agencies. I know that in California there are many issues surrounding this and there are those that have been indicted and convicted. Often the plants have to be cultivated in secret to supply the facilities that provide it to patients. In some cases the facilities themselves have been shut down.

    On a side note, I just recently took a look at your blog and would like to compliment you. I do not personally agree with several of your views, but I do appreciate the thoughtful, reasonable, and honest way you approach things.

  8. Jayne Says:

    why did it ever become illegal in the first place? I agree with decriminalizing the whole thing to but baby steps baby steps.

  9. The Voice Of Reason Says:

    We do not need more drugs. There are hundreds of prescription drugs already on the market to help these people. This is just the first baby step (as “Jayne” says) towards making recreational drugs legal. And it has been badly disguised as a medical concern. Once marijuana is legal anywhere, it will be rampant everywhere. There will be no way to control it, in spite of all the fancy words in the amendments.
    I think “Dude” sums it up best, “…now I can go to work have stoned…”. He doesn’t know how to spell “half”, he doesn’t know how to use proper grammar. How do YOU think his brain got that way?

  10. inkslwc Says:

    OK, first, you can’t talk about grammar – I don’t mean to be smart with you, but I kinda have to point these out: 1) You’re not supposed to start sentences with “And”. 2) You don’t start quotes with “…” and you don’t end with “…”.

    But, as for you saing that we don’t need more drugs, because we already have enough prescription drugs. Would you say that we shouldn’t allow any more pain killers, since we already have enough? Say I want to start a company that sells a pain pill. Should I not be able to since we already have enough drugs?

  11. Jeffrey J Says:

    First of all, this blogger spelled marijuana wrong about 32 times. Secondly, there are many drugs that treat the same symptom marijuana does, weed would be one of the most natural drugs in the world. How many other medications can you pick off the plant and take. Also if marijuana was legalized nation wide it would be a billion dollar industry, thousands of inmates would be released, and i would save a ton on gas because i wont have to cruise every time i smoke… And lay off the guy who cant spell “half”. Maybe if you smoked a lil bud you wouldn’t be a meticulous ass hole

  12. inkslwc Says:

    Jeffrey, the proposal uses the word “marihuana,” which is the lesser used, but still correct, form of the word (not that I used the traditional spelling in the title).

  13. JOE half joint Says:

    Think about this. If they totally decriminilized it how that would effect the black market? Pot dealers would lose millions of dollars because the street value would deminish. The government could tax the hell out of it like they do alcohol. Dont you remember the prohibition? when they banned alcohol, the world went underground and caused more crime, adn even deaths from cutting the alcohol with poison. The saint valintine masacre had to end all that. I say legalize it for everyone, tax and regulate it and you would the sale and smuggling of weed go down. Plus, Ive never heard of anyone highdriving as they do drunk driving and getting arrested for being high on weed.

  14. Joseph Says:

    The amount of weed they propose to give to each patient is horrendous. Tis is a terrible error on the part of poloticians not knowing how much is the right amount to give and just perscribing any amount. This is a promblem in the perscription drug world also. The doctors just give the pills away with no regard to the addiction levels. They often give three times the amoun then needed. This helps in the market for illegal dealing. The people who get the med. have plenty to give for other customers. 30 joints a day, give me a break!

  15. inkslwc Says:

    Well, I think the point was to give them a lot (I guess it’s a lot – I don’t know) since this is for people who will use it indefinitely.

  16. Sarah Says:

    funny…there has yet to be a proven case of anyone ever to have OD on marijuana…even if a lot is given to a person, the fact is..marijuana is one of the safest drugs and most natural.
    doctors prescribe oxycotten- wtf, that leads to heroin addicts.. heroin addict themselves have said it started with oxy but because heroin is cheaper.
    and not to mention the fact that alcohol is a substance that causes thousands of deaths every year…oh yeah thats legal. *rolls eyes*

    *sigh
    itll happen someday.
    if you dont like it.
    dont do it.

  17. inkslwc Says:

    Sarah, you bring up many valid points, valid points that most people overlook. That’s one thing I never got about people being opposed to marijuana – why allow alcohol?

  18. Fred Says:

    I like section 4. k. Reselling it is a concern of mine, I guess i’d just be worried that the blame could get twisted back to an innocent doctor which would be quite unfortunate. Still think i’m gonna vote no on this one though.

  19. Jeffrey J Says:

    I agree that they give patients a lot of weed, I dont know about too much though. My friend has a medicinal marijuana card for California and every time he steps in he comes out with a lot. And he also has about six plants at his house which are legal. I agree with joe half joint that is should be legal for everyone. Think about how many less kids would get MIP’s, arrested or HURT! I’ve had friends held up with guns and knives over twenty bucks trying to buy some pot. This whole proposal isn’t just about smoking either. There are many alternatives to smoking the weed; THc pills, cooking weed in food (amazing), THc drops… They even have THc lip balm. And from a perspective of someone who smokes on a daily basis, i wouldn’t need to smoke anymore if i had these alternatives, my throat is cashed

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  21. The Real voice of reason Says:

    what gives the other voice of reason the right to say that other medications work for people with diseases he has no comprehension of, i have been to the doctors since the 4th grade and so far the only thing that has remotely helped my stomach problem (diagnosed as IBS) has been smoking. should i be considered a criminal for trying to feel better and avoid chronic pain? i think not.

  22. inkslwc Says:

    TRVOR, you bring up, again, a good point. And even further, like I said before, if we “have enough drugs,” should we legislate that no more pain killers be developed? How is this any different than deveoloping UltraAdvil? It’s not, other than it’s smoking it to get relief.

  23. secretwave101 Says:

    Aside from my aversion to the amount of government power required to “enforce” pot laws, I dislike tying the issue to medicine. Let’s face it, many supporters of this bill want to see it passed so they can smoke pot. Once the bill passes, people clamor for doctors to get them weed for any reasonable medical reason, real or otherwise.

    MJ should be legal as long as alcohol is legal. Saying it needs to be legalized for medical reasons weakens the authoritative word of doctors because in truth, there are VERY few uses for MJ in the medical world; it really isn’t prescribed to MJ-naive patients. It also creates a world where MJ is only considered legitimate if used to treat serious medical purposes rather than for recreation like caffeine, alcohol and nicotine.

    Pot is a recreational drug, it isn’t medicine.

  24. Nick Says:

    You spelled marijuana wrong in the first paragraph explaining what goes into the constitution. Careful when quoting.

  25. tony Says:

    i think that marijuana is great you can get high everyday and makes everyone happy so it should be given to everyione not just people with problems

  26. inkslwc Says:

    Nick, that was the title given by the Citizens Research Council of Michigan, as well as Secretary of State’s website (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Statewide_Bal_Prop_Status_145801_7.pdf).

    The spelling is correct.

  27. cookie Says:

    In response to secretwave101, you could not be more wrong that marijuana is not medicine. My father passed away 10 days ago from cancer. The morphine and methedone prescribed to my father for pain gave him great nausea and decreased his appetite. During his last months he used medical marijuana to simply be able to eat food. The importance of being able to consume food cannot be underestimated. He was once a healthy 6’2″ man of substantial build whose battle with cancer had him diminished to around 100lbs. When my father was able to eat, he could also sit and talk to us and have a basic quality of life. But on the days that he could not get the food down, he was reduced to a lifeless being, who barely had enough energy to hold his head up or open his eyes. It is only because of medical marijuana that my father was able to enjoy his last days with his family. Simply because others will pursue the acquisition of marjiuana if the bill is passed does not mean that deserving patients should be denied. People need to look at this issue from a personal perspective, not a political one.

  28. Mel Says:

    I am voting for this. I have seen how this drug can help 1st hand. If it wasn’t for the use of this I would have no doubt died. I do not smoke at this time and when I quit i had NO WITHDRAWS from it at ALL… Unlike the Vicoden and the Dilaudid that have MASSIVE and HORRIBLE withdraws… And I hear ppl say that this is the Gate way drug.. I say BS to that I NEVER wanted or tryed any other drug while using this and I wasnt using it for the high anyways.. And I look at it this way, ” Vicoden is MAN made, Marjiuana is GOD made, who do you trust?” Just my thoughts and I will be voting YES.. And my prayers are with those that DO NEED it.. May it be as helpful to them as it once was to me.

  29. Parker Bridge Property Says:

    It’s good

  30. Joe Petrocik 24 years old Says:

    For 13 years i was a regular ILLEGAL user. I have recently stopped using for my own reasons. I first opposed this, but now have put more thought into it and now i believe that people will continue to use regardless. Keeping the money out of the hands of drug dealers is what this state needs. I also think it will help reduce the idea of it being a gateway drug, since the only reason it has that title is because people that sell the drug illegally also sell other drugs. Therefore i see a possible decline in other drug use in michigan which is desperately needed. I live in marquette and do not know of very many people that would disagree. We have a drug epidemic up here and it is a wonderful place to live and raise kids but we need to combat this drug use, so future generations don’t have to live the life i once had.

  31. Cheech Marin Says:

    Dude this is awesome.
    I encourage y’all vote yes.
    God does not make mistakes, he hit a home run with pot it is really good stuff.
    If I/m fellin a little under the weather I reach for a big joint of thai stick and next thing you know I feel incredible.

  32. miracle Says:

    in 1989 i had a terible accident and lost my foot in a combine. after smoking for a number of yaers it grew back. we must pass thsi bill.

  33. inkslwc Says:

    You know, I don’t know if people like miracle are just idiots who are trying to make the pro-proposition 1 people look like high idiots, or if he’s really a high idiot.

  34. nacho Says:

    Miracle made me laugh pretty hard. Then again I may have ingested some medicine.

    I don’t think all the points about reducing the drug problem are really valid though. I doubt legitimate medical marijuana use contributes any significant amount of money to drug dealers. I would guess nearly 100% of the marijuana sales/growing is for recreational use.

  35. grantf18 Says:

    the constitution gives us the right to pursue happiness unless we infringe upon the rights of others. The government is infringing on our rights as United States citizens by making marijuana illegal.

  36. inkslwc Says:

    grantf18, you’ve got the wrong historical document there. You’re thinking of the Declaration of Independence. The pursuit of happiness isn’t a right, and there’s no legal way to argue that, but since the phrase comes from the DoI, courts will often give it a decent amount of merit (Loving v. Virginia, Section II of the majority opinion: “These statutes also deprive the Lovings of liberty without due process of law in violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”).

  37. Why? Says:

    I don’t know about that inkslwc. The government has changed the rules since then so We really shouldn’t be so sure on that issue

  38. Why? Says:

    Another point on this issue is the fact that says any person who is eligable for a growing license can grow marjiuana. Answer me this. Do you really think that it is just going to be people who have some kind of problem to apply for this license to grow marjiuana? I mean do they have some kind of plan that states that if you have a legitamate problem and the card granting the use of medical marjiuana, you can apply for a growing license? Seriously is this thing thought thru so far that so many people are confidant that those who do not have a problem aren’t going to fool the system?

  39. inkslwc Says:

    Why?, what is your first comment referring to?

    Did you not read the proposal?

    It clearly states, “(b) Not later than 120 days after the effective date of this act, the department shall promulgate rules pursuant to the administrative procedures act of 1969, 1969 PA 306, MCL 24.201 to 24.328, that govern the manner in which it shall consider applications for and renewals of registry identification cards for qualifying patients and primary caregivers.”

  40. Cheech Marin Says:

    We have a similar system out here in East LA and I can tell you it is incredible.
    All of my friends have the card and some only suffer from a hang nail.
    We never get harassed by the pigs and it works out great.
    Any state that does not pass similar legislation is living in the stone age.
    Even if you don’t want to vote for the giant douches running for president get out and vote on this issue.
    Willie Nelson approves this message.

  41. Yooper Says:

    Thank you for this review.

    Very Informative, now I can go to the ballot with a lot more information about this proposal. Since this proposal requires a closed, locked room to grow in, I am a lot more comfortable with this. Even though seeing a huge field of this is better than seeing a huge field of corn/hay/wheat… I will live better knowing a B&E charge is waiting for someone who tries to take this from a patients’ home when they are not around.

    With a look at how much is too much; 2.5 oz. is not a lot. It is if you are a recreational user who looks to their street corner for a high. But if you are in pain -all day, every day- getting up to go to the bathroom can be exhausting. And the pills that have been offered as alternatives, are really a lame attempt at concealment. It would be like eating a steak that has all of the grease and air sucked out of it and then dried and reprocessed into a shake. Would you really want your loved one to endure that meal?

    The amount proposed allows for the time it takes to cure and process a next generation of plants. The provision for a central growing location for multiple patients is limited enough that we here in the UP do not need to travel to Lansing or Ann Arbor to get treatment. I like this clause because unlike California where a “coffee shop” idea was promoted, this clause keeps the patients and caregivers close without drawing attention to themselves (which keeps crime down, imagine a rash robbery of MJ patients after leaving a shop).

    This is the last comment from me, thank you for your analysis!

  42. Why? Says:

    that doesn’t mean that there will be a fool proof system, inkslwc! There is no such thing as absolute control!
    You are implying that there is no way that people who have no need for this cannot find a way! Unless the government can do this than I will always say no! I happen to know a few persons who can beat the system any way they want. Unless you look into the person’s background, the criminal history, the medical history, determine the seriousness of the problem and see if the person is telling the truth, you never will know. Another example is how there are all those medical journals and websites that give out symptoms of problems. People look these up and go to the doctors and say that they have such conditions. I will tell you that most doctors go on the word of the patient and do not do the required tests to prove it. So basically I could go into a hospital that I know does not check for said problems and say that I have this problem and here are the systems, I could get as much pot as I want. So to make my point inkslwc, what you say they plan to do is NOT ENOUGH!!!
    As to my first comment, at least thirty years ago the government felt totaly different about 3/4 of the issues of today.

  43. inkslwc Says:

    I never said that. The government is never going to have 100% enforceability over anthing.

    You asked if they had a plan, and I was just makin sure that you knew that they did.

    You know people who can beat the system? Then turn them in. Otherwise, don’t complain about them.

    They will be looking into their medical history. They’ll have to get doctor approval, and the doctor will have diagnosed them. It’s not like some guy comes to the board and says, “I have AIDS. Can I have a marijuana card?” and they say, “You have AIDS? Sure, here you go.”

    Explain to me how somebody could fake “Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, hepatitis C, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Crohn’s disease, agitation of Alzheimer’s disease, nail patella.” The only disease in there that you MIGHT be able to fake (because they’d do tests / biopsies to diagnose the rest) would be Alzheime’s disease.

    They’re not giving pot out at hospitals.

    And how has the government changed on 3/4 of the issues in 30 years? What isssues have changed since 1978?

  44. Why? Says:

    Obviously it is possible because over a million people have done it.
    First of all, gay rights-No one believed in it at all, now they say it is okay.
    second, illegal aliens-do you know how many people in government have changed there minds on views abotu them! my god. most thought that it was okay as long as they lived here over a certain amount of time. Now they day send them all back and start over! I know a few of these “aliens” and I gaurentee fight for them as long as the issue is about.
    By the way why did you choose 1978? and honestly do you sit at your computer and wait for someone to make a comment!!!

  45. Why? Says:

    I tried to turn them in by the way!! they found a way around that to!

  46. inkslwc Says:

    You said the government has changed it’s views. Now you’re talking about people in the government. Gay marriage is still not legal in most of the government. As for illegal immigration, it’s still illegal. It’s not as enforced as it should be, but the government has changed its official views on it.

    I chose 1978 because you were talking about 30 years ago, and 30 years ago would be 1978.

    Also you never answered how someone could fake “Cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus, acquired immune deficiency syndrome, hepatitis C, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Crohn’s disease, agitation of Alzheimer’s disease, [or] nail patella” to get marijuana.

    And no, I don’t sit at my compute waiting for a comment – I’m working on homework and happen to have my e-mailopen as well, so I see when somebody comments.

    Did you turn them in with evidence? What did they do, and how did they get out of it?

  47. Why? Says:

    They hid or destroyed the evidence so there was no hard proof.
    Belive me, I would do everything in my power to stop them.
    As for answering how someone could fake it, I know someone personal(same person to work around the legal system)who told his/her doctor the symptoms and he gave her some test that was not blood and she knew what to do to convince him. Basically the persons “buttered up” the doctor to make him/her believe that persons

  48. Why? Says:

    They hid or destroyed the evidence so there was no hard proof.
    Belive me, I would do everything in my power to stop them.
    As for answering how someone could fake it, I know someone personal(same person to work around the legal system)who told his/her doctor the symptoms and he gave her some test that was not blood and she knew what to do to convince him. Basically the persons “buttered up” the doctor to make him/her believe that persons
    also I am doing this for home work.

  49. John G Says:

    While I am not overly opposed to this proposal, I have a problem with one part of it: Section 8: “Affirmative Defense and Dismissal for Medical Marihuana”

    Basically, from my reading, it allows the use of this in defense situations — even if the person was NOT previously registered to use marijuana for medical purposes. In other words, these would be everyday people without cards that, after getting charged with possession of marijuana (for recreational use), would then be able to assert a defense that they were actually using it for medical purposes, but just hadn’t had a doctor confirm that yet. It looks like, to use this defense, all they have to do is find a doctor that says that, yes, they would be getting some “therapeutic or palliative benefit” from it to help with their “serious” illness.

    I have some concerns that this is going to create a crop of doctors that ambulance-chasing lawyers fall back on whenever someone gets charged with marijuana possession. I think we have a big enough problem dealing with marijuana-related charges in the court systems and that this will make it even worse. I think that many that plead guilty to get through those cases quickly now will decide to fall back on this new medical defense — so we’ll have even MORE people pleading “not guilty” to what are actually recreational marijuana charges.

    As a secondary issue, how well defined is “serious illness”? Are the huge number of people already on SSI/Disability for “mental illness” now going to be able to argue that it is “therapeutic” for them to smoke marijuana? How much of a slippery slope is defining what is a serious illness is going to be?

    So, it is mainly just section 8 that changes me from a Yes to a No here. It just leaves too much open for people that are NOT registered beforehand to try to use it after-the-fact to get out of otherwise clearly recreational usage charges. Combine that with the secondary issue of doctors that might call almost anything a “serious” illness, and I just can’t see this being the right answer.

    – John…

  50. John G Says:

    Also, just to clarify what I wrote above — in my reading of the text, everything says that it applies to “serious or debilitating medical conditions” — but the text only defines DEBILITATING conditions. It does not appear to define SERIOUS conditions.

    That is why I have my concern about what a doctor will call serious. In my reading, it does not say that it HAS to be “debilitating”. Everything says serious OR debilitating — and only debilitating is specifically defined. That is why I was asking if “serious” is defined. If it said “AND”, then that’d be fine — but it says “OR”. I have a problem with that text. I can easily see a lawyer arguing that his client does not have a “debilitating” condition (like cancer, as defined in the text), but instead just has a “serious” condition (which the lawyer would then bring out his well-paid doctor to state that, yes, his client’s ingrown toenail is a “serious” conditon).

    – John…

  51. Why? Says:

    THANK YOU JOHN G.

    Understanding what you wrote, I have the same belief. If they have not and/or cannot define serious we have a problem

  52. ben Says:

    There is no reason for not legalizing marijauana .there are alot of things its good for like chronic pain, cancer , glocoma to releive the presure from the eyes .But any how,it should be legal for the fact that alchol is and its the reason that a little less than half of the united states poulation die from alchol related accidents every year . I think that this is a good thing to do and if it dosent happen then there is goning to be some realy pissed off people in the world .

    Ben knickerbocker
    concord mi

  53. ladytech Says:

    MI Proposal 1–JUST SAY NO (just like you tell your kids, duh!)

    I did an “Ask an Attorney” on Michigan’s proposal 1, the “medical marijuana” proposal. There are parts of it that disturb me, i.e., the automated interpretation of a registry renewal, it does not specify protection of minors, or the public, it does not state any reasonable limitations as to the existing issue of substance abuse offenders (juvenile or otherwise) being in the presence of “registered” users, and (my opinion) will open the courts to a boatload of litigation should they not have the funds to enact the laws necessary to address these and other vagueness that will create issues.

    If you don’t have a copy of either proposal they can be viewed at http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Statewide_Bal_Prop_Status_145801_7.pdf, then click the link at the bottom for detail.

    Here’s his thoughtful response:
    First, I have a prejudice against any laws/constitutional amendments that are presented in a general ballot. In my personal opinion, the last good one was Proposal A – the property tax increase limitation amendment. If it is a constitutional amendment, it would take a constitutional amendment to make a change if it turns out that the first amendment did not work as expected/presented (e.g. the recent use of the constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman to interfere with private rights to contract for health care benefits – going well beyond the presentation, and interfering with private contractual terms). Another case in point is the Reform Michigan Government Now proposal that did not make it onto the ballot.

    This is a little easier, because it is not a constitutional amendment, but a legislative act. What the legislature is doing here is abdicating. They are elected to make the policy decisions on what laws should be in effect in the state. They are effectively saying, “we think this is a good thing, but we don’t want to take the heat for passing it.”

    As to the act – of course there will be litigation arising from it if it is passed. With the current makeup of the MI Supreme Court being very textualist in nature, and interpreting acts exactly as written, there are potential problems with this act. For example, the act permits a qualifying person to smoke marihuana, provided the person is not “on any form of public transportation; or in any public place.” Sec. 7(b)(3)(A) and (B).

    Is a private home a private place regardless of who is present? This is not specified, and would be left to the Courts. If the home is determined a private place regardless of who is present, but children are present when marihuana is smoked, the act does not prevent prosecution for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. It does establish a higher burden on a spouse or the government for proof. Sec. 4(c) says, “A person shall not be denied custody or visitation of a minor for acting in accordance with this act, unless the person’s behavior is such that it creates an unreasonable danger to the minor that can be clearly articulated and substantiated.” Now it has to be “an unreasonable danger” as opposed to “the best interests of the child” standard currently in place.

    While this is not a constitutional amendment, will the legislature be willing to modify it if the Courts interpret it in a way that most would deem unacceptable? Probably not, because they were afraid to pass it as a strictly legislative act in the first place. Then we are stuck with it, as written. The better way to deal with the issue would be for the legislature to get off their collective butts and either pass a law, that can later be easily amended, if necessary, or reject it. Instead, they are passing the buck.”

    Vote No and ask them to come back with a better prepared proposal. Or better yet, get the legislature to do their jobs.

    Ms. Byrum dissappoints this time, sorry to say. She’s been a favorite of mine in the past.

  54. inkslwc Says:

    Why?, what disease did he fake? Was it in that list?

    John, I don’t like that loophole, but I’m coming from the perspective of someone who wants all marijuana legalized.

    Also, it says, “the serious or debilitating medical condition” (emphasis added), which implies that it is one of the diseases laid out under 3.(a) (and presumably 1 court case would set precedent for that). Again, poorly written? Yes. But coming from my perspective, I’m OK with it.

    I think it should be passed, because I generally think marijuana should be decriminalized. We’re coming at it from different perspectives, so that’s why I have less of a problem with these areas; however, being a law and order conservative, I will encourage the enforecement of laws against marijuana until we have laws that state otherwise.

  55. Don Says:

    It sounds like you don’t smoke it…how is it ingested?

  56. inkslwc Says:

    Ifyou mean “you don’t smoke it” meaning me, then you’re right, I don’t.

    If you meant you, as in a person taking it medicinally, then yes, you can smoke it.

  57. NHP333 Says:

    I was wondering if you could find how many people are in jail due to marijuana laws, and how much of our tax dollars are going to put these people in jail. Now i dont mind people being in jail who mass produce it in their basement and sell it on the streets but what makes me mad is the other people they are throwing in jail. thanks if you can find it🙂

  58. inkslwc Says:

    It’s not exactly what you’re looking for, but this might help a bit: http://norml.org/pdf_files/state_arrests_2004/NORML_MI_Marijuana_Arrests.pdf

  59. Why? Says:

    If there was a way to do marjiuana than smoking it (and there is) then I wouldn’t have such a problem, but if I was around someone who had a problem and they were smoking marjiuana I would have a major problem. If I say yes I would make it so those who could use marijuana have to use it in any other way than to smoke it.

  60. inkslwc Says:

    There are other ways you can use it. The way it’s used is up to the patient.

    And you still haven’t said what disease the person faked, and I find it hard to believe that one of those diseases was faked.

  61. Jose the supporter Says:

    I think that this proposal would be great.Medicinal or not. Marijuana is not addictive like the man made painkillers that are happily prescribed by our (legal drug dealers)doctors.I’m sure that everyone knows of someone who died or was hooked on Vicodin,Percocet,etc.Even Cindy McCain.I’m sure that she didn’t ask for her addiction.Do you ever see tragic stories about someone on marijuana? No! Only the one’s that are legal like alcohol and the drug in cough medicine to make Meth.Which one is worst? Even cigarettes are legal and killing more non-smokers.If marijuana would be legal like it is in the Netherlands crimes would drop dramatically.It’s proven in their system along with legal prostitution.If it’s in your face every day most people especially the young one’s wouldn’t think that they have to rebel.THINK GREEN!!!!

  62. Brad Says:

    @ Why

    People fake illness all the time to get powerful opiates like OxyContin, Morphine, Methadone and Fentanyl all the time; I have severe chronic pain that requires opiates so given the opportunity, based on your aforementioned philosophy, you’d deny me the right to painkillers because others abuse the system? That, my friend, is unconscionable.

    I have also used marijuana for my chronic pain and I was able to substantially decrease the amount of morphine I was prescribed. Can you possibly argue that marijuana is more harmful than morphine?

    I would love to see marijuana decriminalized because its not dangerous, but I’d also love to see marijuana made into medicine like opium is… we don’t have medicinal opium smoking, now do we? I think the Sativex spray is an excellent current alternative because no medicine should be smoked and even eating marijuana has such a delayed onset that its impractical for things like nausea and unbearable for pain. Currently sativex can not be investigated in the US due to marijuana being a C-I controlled substance (meaning it can not be researched).

    Again, to WHY- Do you really think that people who have gotten their life and their livelihood back from marijuana should be denied because some idiots you know will abuse the system? Should we close pharmacies by schools? Take morphine off the market? If the latter happens, I would love to be in the room with you after an operation and I wish you could be with me to see the misery I would endure for one day without medication.

  63. Yes but No Says:

    Some are saying, “Just think of how many taxes we would save by not putting people in jail for using MJ…” But if it does pass people using it illegally will still be arrested. (Illegal meaning: if its not for medical use, using it in a public place, or in a vehicle with it.) If this adopted, law enforcement will have a hard time distinguishing a legal user verses and illegal user. (I can just see a drug raid gone wrong.)
    I am against recreational majiuana usage just as I’m against alcohol usage (I’ve seen both ruin lives, families, and frendships.)
    Also, the ONLY way to stop a drug problem is to ELIMMINATE a demand for it. This is why laws are in place to arrest recreational users (although they are not enforced properly). We see a lot of focus on huge drug busts which do NOTHING to stop illegal drug usage. It just reduces supply to the “market” – driving up the price – causing more suppliers to enter the market – driving the price down, and the cycle goes over and over again. (Remember prohibition? The demand remained the same, so it failed.)
    I cannot vote yes on this because of all the ‘holes’ in the proposal.

  64. Brad Says:

    ^The proposal clearly states that medical marijuana patients will be issued cards to identify themselves as patients so law enforcement will NOT have a hard time distinguishing licit and illicit use!

    Drug raids don’t take place on singular users, they take place on dealers and growers which will be no less illegal after the proposal is enacted so what raids exactly will go wrong?

    Lastly, what holes specifically in your mind justify denying relief to people like me who live in pain all day everyday? Why do you think I should be a criminal?

  65. DJ Nagers Says:

    leagilize mary J baby ..i hate censored by admin

  66. Caroline Says:

    Who is going to police the people who are allowed to grow only 12 plants of there own? Is that going to be yet another duty for the already overworked police? They can’t keep up with all the current laws being passed.

  67. Caroline Says:

    I just think there are a lot of details that people haven’t thought of. I think that there are already enough drugs causing problems that are legal. How is it that mj is the only drug out there that can help with some diseases? (not trying to be sarcastic but with all the medicine out there it’s hard to believe that there isn’t something else) sometimes I think people jump on this bandwagon because they truly just want mj to be legal so they can smoke it. I know at least one person who would love it and that’s my brother. So don’t tell me mj isn’t addictive because I know different.

  68. Skatt Says:

    The law is meant to be objective. There is an instance in the US constitution (in amendment 14 section 1) that requires that laws not be made that deprive citizens of life, liberty, or property. In this instance, liberty is not defined as the liberties outlined in the constitution. Liberty can be defined in a number of ways, including: the condition of being free from restriction or control; the right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one’s own choosing; a breach or overstepping of propriety or social convention; an unwarranted risk.
    All of those definitions pretty much protect us from any law being put in place, however, the rights to life and property must also be protected. So laws against murder or endangering people’s lives are withstanding as are the laws that protect citizens’ rights to own property. Anti-drug laws really don’t cut it though. Of course, there is the exception for minors, but any adult should be allowed the liberty of taking any drug he or she wishes in any quantity so long as they are not infringing upon another person’s rights. This is considered outside of any personal opinions I have on any drugs or any people I know that do or don’t do drugs.
    I’ll vote yes on this proposal just because it’s a step towards the liberty that we were given the right to have.
    A person is going to do whatever drugs he or she chooses to do, and I would take steps as a good citizen to urge them not to partake in activities that might be harmful to them, but I will not allow myself to forget about liberty.
    There are consequences to every action, and the cons ALWAYS outweigh the pros. Just because some people choose to only look at things from their own subjective perspectives, doesn’t mean that everyone should have to adhere to what they believe is best.
    The issue of drugs, sex, and personal pursuits are all issues that should be left to families and friends to discuss amongst themselves.

  69. Cripple since 20 Says:

    Let me clear up once an for all why they call MJ a “GATE WAY DRUG” Because They’ve always told us things like :If you take just one puff you could see a scary monster in the mirror which sends us screaming in terror across the room and to our deaths out the window! Or : one puff and you could permanently loose your mind laughing hysterically! {And remember this folks!} When nothing like that happens you find the “Gate way” the gate way is “What else did they lie about!” That’s why anybody tries other drugs! because WE couldn’t believe them anymore! I’Ve suffered from chronic low back pain since on the job accident, I’ve had 5 operations to my spine, the last of which was an implant which sends electric shocks down my spine to drown out the pain I have to live with ever minute of every day MJ is a harmless natural drug it helps me tolerate the life i have to live now. The best they can offer is oxycodone which makes my stomach sick or makes me not want to eat and it still leaves me in pain to much to get out of bed MJ helps me be happy about my life instead of suicidal one day at a time! …Please Vote YES!!!

  70. NHP333 Says:

    the sad thing is that the media does not cover our thoughts. The only time you hear about MJ is if they do a big bust on a drug dealer or an upset mom makes a big deal about somthing. They dont cover people like us.

  71. NHP333 Says:

    so there for, america has this bad image of MJ.

  72. steeeeven Says:

    Why is our government so blind. Hemp could solve our nations debt and cannabis could help ease our minds while we crawl out of this abyss.
    http://www.rense.com/general49/could.htm

  73. mom Says:

    This proposal leaves to many doors open, to legally have stoned kids show up for school, men and women to work and the school or employer can’t do anything.

    I am NOT supporting this bill. There are very good pills out there for cancer treatment. Marinol is one that I got for my mother when she underwent chemo.

    I am not for people growing their own drugs. Want them? Buy them at the Drug Store where it is a bit more controlled. Our Kids need to be kept safer then that.

  74. inkslwc Says:

    How are stoned kids going to show up to school? And a company can still have policies against this.

  75. Cripple since 20 Says:

    To mom says: My Doctor has tried time & again to get me an even stronger form of oxycodone but the insurance company refuses to pay there portion of a stronger pain killer even if the DR. who’s been treating me for the last 4 of my 30yrs of constant agony! Says I need IT how did I find out that MJ helps? Because Ive been refused proper treatment by the insurance co. thats suppose to take “CARE” of me!!. Are your kids getting my oxycodone? or any of the other 6 meds I take??? NO! WHY? “CAUSE I NEED MY MEDS! besides the fact that me and most Americans have morals!. Most my life is now spent bedridden and when i have to walk or do anything physical i have to use a spinal stimulator an send electroshock down my spine just to walk or sit so on so on, just to do what you take for granted! I much rather be dead then in such endless agony MJ helps me tolerate the pain & ugliness my life has become while still helping me get thru another day without killing myself! MJ IS harmless & so helpful. the restrictions that would be in place would be the same if not “more” tight as the ones they have on meds! is your kid running around with pills spilling out of his pockets NOW? Please don’t let fear cloud your mercy on others, this is not about getting high, these are Doctor, lawyers, nurses, firermen etc, etc “OUR” public coming forth with true knowledge of its real benefits! there are people out there that are so much worse-off than you who need this help! please VOTE YES!!!!

  76. Mi. Mommy Says:

    My childs father lives in a household with someone who has Hep. C. The guy will use your razor and not even tell you… he’s just sick. Let alone I don’t want my child around him but now he’d be able to legally smoke weed around my daughter too…. that’s wrong!!! I’m voting NO!

  77. Mi. Mommy Says:

    # mom Says:
    October 30, 2008 at 2:22 PM

    This proposal leaves to many doors open, to legally have stoned kids show up for school, men and women to work and the school or employer can’t do anything.

    I am NOT supporting this bill. There are very good pills out there for cancer treatment. Marinol is one that I got for my mother when she underwent chemo.

    I am not for people growing their own drugs. Want them? Buy them at the Drug Store where it is a bit more controlled. Our Kids need to be kept safer then that.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I agree!

  78. inkslwc Says:

    Mi. Mommy, why are you not bringing this up to social workers, if your child is in danger?

  79. Chemteach7 Says:

    Wow……..some of you amaze me ????? lack of compassion ???? even bordering on down right evil. I have been HIV+ for 14years and am not the type of person that walks around and yells it out. I just live my life in the suburbs. But…….. I take 17 scripts a day ! and I am 42 years old. Some days I am on my knees throwing up from the side effects and your so called “drug-company’s” pot-pills i.e. marinol DO NOT work and cost insurance company’s $900/month. For those of us people that have HIV or cancer, or lupis that keep our mouths shut (and do smoke pot just so we can function) alot of time because of side effects of meds of the conditions we have. PLEASE DROP YOUR POLITICS ON THIS ISSUE AND VOTE AS IF YOU OR A FAMILY MEMBER WERE ILL !!!! GOD BLESS

  80. SNC Says:

    I personally am for semi-decriminalization. I don’t really care if it was to become decriminalized but at the same time I don’t want people smoking it around me in public areas so I’d want it limited to home use only and there would have to be a law that still makes it illegal to operate machinery and vehicles and the like while on it. So almost like alcohol, which is another drug in itself.

  81. Vote Yes Says:

    By taking steps towards decriminalizing marijuana, we can begin to be honest about drugs. Marijuana is discussed with our nation’s young people as if it were as dangerous as cocaine or heroin. According to drugabuse.gov, in 2002 an estimated 2.6 million people tried marijuana for the first time. That’s 2.6 million people who immediately realized that they had been misled about how dangerous marijuana is. At that point, these individuals are likely to believe that they were also misled about the dangers of cocaine or heroin. Unfortunately, their first time with those drugs could lead to an overdose or an addiction.

    Meanwhile, pharmaceutical companies are developing dangerous and addictive drugs such as oxycodone. Because they are developed in labs and regulated by the FDA, these dangerous prescription pills get very little scrutiny.

    We need to be honest with kids if we expect to free our nation from the grip of drug addiction. Telling kids that marijuana is dangerous and addictive discredits any attempts to keep them off of the drugs that really are dangerous and addictive.

    Legalize it, regulate it, tax it, and discuss it honestly.

    Let’s start by voting yes on proposal 1.

  82. CF Daddy Says:

    This issue is a very clear yes vote. While I can empathize with people like MI Mommy (whose concern for her daughter’s well being is well founded) her objection to the proposal is not valid. Other avenues exist to protect your daughter. Preventing other citizens of this State from receiving medication that will ease their pain and allow them to live more “normal” lives should not be viewed as an acceptable measure to take for the protection of your daughter.

    There really isn’t a valid argument presented here by the anti camp. Any argument pertaining to full decriminalization is irrelevant, because that is not the proposal on the ballot here. If you don’t like the proposal because you feel there should be more stringent controls, then that is a seperate issue to pose to your legislators after passage of the proposal.

  83. Cripple since 20 Says:

    To: MOMMY SAYS: Let me see if I got this right…Your voting “NO!” because you know a sick “GROSS GUY!”with Hep C that uses your razors and a vote “NO!” would protect your daughter from him!…And I too can see Russia from my house! You dont need to protect her from his medicine You need to take her ability to see him away completely!…But Momma Quasimoto and I say “GROSS PEOPLE NEED MEDS TOO!!…….Vote yes for Quasimotos sake!

  84. VotingYes Says:

    To everyone who says it has caused addiction to people they have known, the people your speaking sounds like they just have an addictive personality or have obsessive traits,no different than the nascar fan, or the person who has to watch that certain show everyday, a girl today at the grocery store was saying she had body pains (weather related) and was stressing that she wasn’t going to be able to take a break and stay on her every 4 hour motrin schedule, which motrin is extremely harsh on your stomach, then the ones who just say to use another medicine, as though they are all the same medicine is just medicine, it has been proved that THC is harmless the damaging effects of smoking are caused from the leaf burning which creates carbon dioxide , not THC which none of you (that i read) mentioned the safest and quickest way to absorb THC which is by vaporizing, THC crystals have a lower burning point and will ignite before the leaf which creates the harmful effects, i think passing this step will be a huge step forward BACK in the right direction, george washington our first president, our 1 dollar bill man, founded this nation by cultivating cannabis plants not only for bud to smoke but for the total package of a cannabis plant, the stalk and hemp fibers are incredible strong and durable, the seed are packed with omega 3 and vitamins, the oil can be used for cooking, it goes on and on, i hope it inspires people to come up creative ways, i just believe repressing the constant issue isn’t the solution we have a great opportunity to educate ourselves go back a few hundred years to watch is natural and safe, and not promote these insane chemicals and damaging side effects, stay educated stay open

  85. VotingYes Says:

    tons of mistakes i know, just get the jest of it, its ridiculous to deny someone this right, it just doesn’t make any sense vote yes, it’s not your right to judge or misuse your voting “POWER”, make the right decision not a selfish decision

  86. SASHA HOOKER Says:

    I AM A 27 YEAR OLD WOMAN, I STARTED HAVING SEVERE HEADACHES A YEAR AGO. I HAD A HEADACHCE 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK FROM LAST SEPTEMBER TIL JANUARY. IT WAS A NIGHTMARE, JUST PURE PAIN, I WENT TO EVERY DOCTOR, HAD EVERY TEST, AND TRIED EVERY MIGRAINE AND PAIN MEDICINE. NOTHING WORKED THE PILLS MADE ME GOOFY AND/OR EXTREMELY SICK. I HAD TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM EVERY OTHER WEEK, BECAUSE I JUST COULDN’T TAKE IT!!! EVERY DR. AND NEUROLOGIST WOULD LOOK AT ME AND MY TEST RESULTS AND BE BAFFLED, I WAS COMPLETELY HEALTHY AND THEY DID’T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT WAS MAKING MY HEAD HURT SOOO BAD. I COULDN’T EVEN DRIVE, AND WHEN I WOULD TRY TO WALK AROUND THE HOUSE W/ THE HEADACHES I WOULD GET DIZZY AND START VOMITING.

    I SAW THIS ONE DR. I WAS CRYING AND UPSET. HE TOLD ME THAT THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN AND THAT SOME PATIENTS THAT ARE IN PAIN LIKE ME, WERE USING MARIJUANA AND IT MADE THEM BE ABLE TO BEAR THE PAIN AND SICKNESS. I TRIED IT AND IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ME BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME OF MY LIFE BACK AND IT JUST HELPS WITH THE SICKNESS. I’M STLL TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THESE HEADACHES, I GET THEM ABOUT TWO WEEKS A MONTH NOW. I SUPPORT PROPOSAL 1, AND I PRAY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORSE CONDITIONS THAN ME.
    BELIEVE ME IT HELPS MAKE LIFE BEARABLE. BUT I HATE THAT IT’S NOT LEGAL, BECAUSE IT MAKES IT SEEM BAD.

  87. Dee Says:

    We already have a legal drug that is abused and is the most distructive and adictive drug and endorsed by almost every sport. Alcohol, how many lives have been lost due to drunk drivers, how may broken homes has it caused because someone can not get their head out of the bottle. How may sick babies do we have because their mothers drank while pregnet.
    Oh yea, but it is the socially excepted drug of choice. Too bad we do not tax beer, wine and the hard stuff like cigaretts, think of the tax money it would generate. What upsets me the most is some people collect SS for their entire lives because they are simply a drunk and can not hold a job or stay sober long enough to get a drivers license. Now that is abuse.

    Everybody DRINK UP!

    My vote we should legalize pot and tax it.

  88. pat b Says:

    people chill out. the drug will still be regulated. and i totally agree with vote yes. It is the first step to decriminalization. plus marijuana is the safest and most natural drug out there. VOTE YES ON PROPOSAL 1.

  89. Cripple since 20 Says:

    I am also Bipolar, Bipolar people suffer from dramatic mood swings! everything is magnified the anger is huge!!It makes it very hard to stay employed! Have friends, Be social! My Dr. had been treating me for 8yrs with all the wrong meds A Lot of the meds set my anger on fire! After 8yrs of what i would call experimental torture and shattering my windshield with one punch in traffic! I finally broke down to the Dr. and told him all the pills you’ve given me are crap! they don’t work!,and the only reason Ive been able to keep my cool at work is because I have been using MJ {I thought this was going to shock him!} he’s a little guy from India instead he says “Oh this is very common for Bipolar people because it stops the mood swings and calms the ebbs and flow for Bipolar people. He’s not surprised at all! instead I was shocked! I said well could it be the the “Dopamine” in MJ he said HMMMM could be! we have been dealing with the serotonin and your body needs a balance of the two. “So give “dopamine”! He did and my world did a 180′ my wife was amazed! It was the wonder drug that turned my whole character around for the good! No animals were hurt in the telling of this story …Vote yes!!!

  90. Lori Says:

    bottom line is this…#1 its comming out of your tax dollars….#2 even if they find a cure for an ailment it will never be introduced to the public, there is more money in no cure than there is in “the cure”…and it will only be available to the wealthy!

  91. Lori Says:

    skipped a page apply prior comment to stem cell research….my mistake!

  92. curious Says:

    quick question, with the ID cards, will the federal government be able to “raid” the state agency for a list of people that will be allowed to use marijuanna and go on a state wide arresting spree?

    I quit smoking after 10 years with no withdrawls or side effects. I am in full support of the decriminalization. in my opinion dont deny someone else because of your fears or lack of knowledge. if you have never tried it then you will never truly know and you are playing off of the mistruths that have been spoon fed to you as you have grown up.

  93. Barbara Jackson Says:

    I will be quite surprised if this passes in Michigan because the big shots won’t be putting any money in their pockets if it does. This state is nothing but politics, power, and money. I never did drugs when I was younger, didn’t even take an asperin for a headache, as you get older you never know what disease you are going to get or the meds you will have to take. I have worked all my adult life so that I could retire and have a pension, insurance and just live comfortably. Now I am living from check to check and the insurance company has raised the co-pays so high for my scripts that I can’t afford them. I was always the one defending the people without insurance, now I don’t know who is better off.

  94. Benjamin Says:

    Marijuana should be legalized for anyone’s use. All victimless crimes should be abolished and nobody should have to register an ID card for marijuana use. The drug was criminalized for racist reasons in the first place, not health reasons. I am not a drug user, nor will I ever be one, but I just don’t see any reason for this substance to remain illegal.

  95. Brad Says:

    Dude… you guys must be insane. Remember Back in the day when CHINA was almost completely destroyed because Europeans got them addicted to Opium? REMEMBER? To put it simply, if we all start using the wonderful MJ and possibly harder drugs because of it, our Efficient Workforce will diminish, but more importantly the number of Able Warriors for a very possible future would diminish. I for one would rather DIE than see the U.S. torn to sheds because its people cant control certain basics.

  96. inkslwc Says:

    curious, I believe that they could, but they haven’t in any other state, so it’s pretty unlikely. And again, I’m not 100% sure it’d be legal.

  97. votingyes Says:

    Brad i can tell you’re obviously for mc cain, way to try and put the “fear” into people, by saying it could lead to harder drugs, when in fact if you had read any of these testimonials you’d realize these people want to use cannabis because it will steer them off of using harder drugs to medicate. but keep pumping that fear into them, our workforce will diminish because of cannabis use, i told my kid sister when she started smoking that you don’t stop what you are doing just because you are “high” i think people use it as an excuse to become lazy when infact they are just lazy, you can smoke and still stay motivated, it all once again comes down to the user just as i was saying about it being addictive, i believe people themselves can be addicts and lazy and will always find an excuse or something to blame, other than take responsibility or blaming themselves, and you know what my sister actually has worked harder since smoking and isn’t bogged down by taking vicodin and crazy pain killers to help with her head injury. think man just think, we smoke and we’re extremely smart, THC actually activates dead zones in your brain which normally aren’t functioning so smoking actually makes you smarter. sounds like you’re arguing something you know nothing about, you want to win an argument, click shut down on your computer and walk away

  98. tony Says:

    Mom, your stupid. Get your child out of harms way before you even think about any erection. I’m sorry, did I say erection, I ment election.

  99. jay says Says:

    michigans economy is the worst in the united states..think about how many jobs medical marijuana will create..mj is the number 1 cash crop in the united states..and its illegal! think about what it could do for the world if it was legal! yeah of course cops might have to find something worth their time to do then busting kids smoking weed…watch the movie super high me..it makes a very good point here..the guy who ate mcdonalds for 30 days was severly sick..the guy who smoked weed for 30 days was as good as the day he started..and even got a better score on his SAT’s while he was high. vote yes on prop 1

  100. Shaun Says:

    First off I want to answer a few questions regarding what I am seeing here in regards to the safety of marijuana.

    “Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.” – Source http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

    Currently the above quote is one of the biggest reasons I am against this “medicinal” use. In the US we have the DOT regulating many aspects of what goes on in our lives. The transportation of goods to and from location to location. Can you honestly say you want the driver of a 18 wheeler behind you and your family treating his cancer, or other “serious” disease with this? With this bill then he can. What about the guy who is working on your vehicle, or designing your next car, building your home, or putting in the security system. I’m sorry, but my safety and the safety of others far outweighs any “Pain relief” benifit that this drug may give. There are other medications that are out there as well as medications that are already THC dervitives.

    “Cancer of the respiratory tract and lungs may also be promoted by marijuana smoke.4 A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and that the more marijuana smoked, the greater the increase.17 A statistical analysis of the data suggested that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.” Source – http://www.nida.nih.gov/researchreports/marijuana/Marijuana3.html

    Here is another aspect of why we don’t need this as a medicinal medication. It causes the same disease that it is used to treat. Nice to know a medication understands job security.

    This is a proposal that we really don’t need. Not when it comes to the safety of others.

  101. inkslwc Says:

    votingyes, I have to point out that not all McCain supporters are against this. I am a McCain supporter and I’m voting for this, I have several other McCain-supporting friends voting for this as well.

    jay, how would this create jobs? Most people will grow their own.

  102. inkslwc Says:

    Shaun, sorry, your comment got blocked by the spam filter and I just noticed it.

    Section 7. (b)(4) clearly states that you can’t use marijuana and “Operate, navigate, or be in actual physical control of any motor vehicle, aircraft, or motorboat while under the influence of marihuana.”

    And as for being high on the job, the business can still regulate that, just like they can regulate if you can work while on Vicodin.

    Personally, I would never use marijuana, because I think there are better drugs, but people should have the option.

  103. votingyes Says:

    yeah misunderstanding inkslwc i didn’t mean that he was for McCain because hes against this prop, i just figured he was for McCain since he was using scare tactics which McCain often uses. of course voting for cannabis and voting for McCain have nothing to do with eachother

  104. inkslwc Says:

    I’d say Obama saying that McCain will be 4 more years of Bush is a scare tactic too.

  105. votingyes Says:

    true, i’ll give you that, even though it is a scary truth

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  107. NHP333 Says:

    IT PASSED!

  108. Nonbiased Says:

    @Shaun

    The same article you cited earlier also says this, that you seem to have overlooked:

    “Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer; however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers. Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.”

    Many negative studies on Marijuana are also associated with other drugs, as proven by this statement from the same article:

    “Through its effects on the brain and body, marijuana intoxication can cause accidents. Studies show that approximately 6 to 11 percent of fatal accident victims test positive for THC. In many of these cases, alcohol is detected as well.”

    Of course no drug is perfectly safe – but in certain cases the benefits outweigh the consequences. Someone who can barely walk due to severe pain may accept the increased (but not entirely proven) risk of respiratory illnesses to gain control of their life. This article also frequently compares smoking marijuana to smoking tobacco – obviously the side effects are not the same, but both have health risks, and tobacco has always been legal in our country.

    That is all.

  109. Dawn Says:

    What I want to know is…How can they let this pass? You are allowing people to use it if the doctor says ok….where are you going to get it? You would have to go into the dark alleys to people that sell it illegally. It is hard to find. How come the government won’t ship you your RX ? You would still have to search for it. Not always so easy to find. Can anyone shed some light on this one for me?

  110. A$$ H0l3 Says:

    hell yeah beoches legalize that shit

  111. A$$ H0l3 Says:

    fuck dj, and mcCain lets all just get baked with Obama

  112. Dave Says:

    don’t be such a ball bag and get high and relax

  113. Jocelyn Granger Says:

    How and where does one register as a caregiver? Thanks,
    JG

  114. mistake Says:

    Why don’t we just all smoke pot and do anything and everything that we want??…….are you people stupid? There is a reason why there are rules, regulations, laws ect. put into place…..without these chaos emerges…most of you “yes’s” out there are only concerned with yourself and instant gratification…..disconcern for society as a whole…….there are reasons for these safe gaurds….everybody just can’t stand authority, because suddenly it’s not only about them anymore……

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  116. vandal 420 Says:

    oookay….1 passed!! i think this will be a great improvment to michigan, people who actually need it can obtain it without fear of being criminalized! plus with this being added to the medical indrustry jobs will be created…if smoking marijuana cuz it helps you is a bad thing kill me now cuz the worlds has gone complely bonkers! i am a recreational user but dont confuse me as a doper! looking at this issue in a logical and reasanble understanding it is a travesty people are against this! for those people i say do some resaerch on ur own! dont just assume wat ur parents or elders or the government more importantly have brainwashed you to beleive…get out and find the real info….RESEARCH!!!

  117. Buba Connely Says:

    I’m just glad this passed.
    I like to smoke dope on a regular basis and I’m thinking now I will be able to enjoy it’s soothing qualities without fear of prosecution.
    I have several friends that live in California and they tell me it’s working out real good out in Cali. You can get good quality smoke a completive prices and not worry about the police.
    This is definitely a step in the right direction.

  118. inkslwc Says:

    Dawn, you said, “How come the government won’t ship you your RX ?” The government should NEVER ship your drugs, of any kind – that’s not their job (just my libertarian position on that – I’m pretty anti-government healthcare).

  119. Gimm3DATpurp Says:

    YE YE
    LETS ROLL SOME JOINTS AND SMOKE FO OBAMA
    DATS WHAT IM TALKING BOUT
    MY MOMMA IS A DOC AND SHE GON PRESCRIBE ME DAT SH***T
    YE YE
    LETS SMOKE DAT

  120. Sal Says:

    Your talking about a failing state economy. When cotton and tree bi-products were of predominace in the market the criminalization of weed was a capatalistic nececesity. By the way look up some journal articles about its harm, no more side affects then most other drugs. Also, its therapeutic index is much lower being that you can’t smoke 10 bowls to increase euphoria/abuse.vicodin however is much different. This provides a new route of money consumption by the government by exploitation of its enforcement of, production of, and its bi products. Though I casually smoke weed and had been habitually smoking for years before, this passing is deffinitive and typical of our capatalistic nation and failing michigan economy. So, it comes down to your oppinion on our system? Stop acting like all us pot heads can now go out and blaze in the movie theater parking lot.

  121. Charles Says:

    “I think this proposal will pass, with voters voting along the lines of somewhere around 62%-38%.”

    The news says it passed with 63%. Good call man! =D

  122. inkslwc Says:

    Thanks Charles. Unfortunately, my skills for calling the embryonic stem cell research proposal weren’t so great.

  123. twiafu Says:

    @ inkslwc

    Thank you for this information – exactly what I was looking for.

    After watching my Grandmother wither away from bone caner and die earlier this year I can attest to the ‘good’ that Marijuana does for people in need. I personally witnessed a change for the better in her while she used those few times. Her quality of life was better, she ate!!!, the chemo was not so harsh as it was in the past, and as silly as it may sound, she smiled.

    Even though we were ‘law breakers’ at the time, I am very glad this has passed and I am content in knowing that maybe, just maybe, one other person or another family will benefit from this.

    Thank you Michigan Voters!

    /respect

  124. Vote Yes Says:

    Step 1 complete.

    Now, hopefully, drug awareness education attempts will no longer classify marijuana with the more dangerous hard drugs. Even other legal drugs pose a much larger threat to the user and society than marijuana. Moving forward, I hope that our educators will be honest with this information.

    Next step. End the prohibition on marijuana. Decriminalize it, pardon anyone serving a non-violent sentence for it, regulate it, and tax it.

    To the naysayers, I ask you this…. Do you agree that alcohol is OK? Do you feel that tobacco companies should be allowed to sell their products? Is it your opinion that there is nothing wrong with pharmaceutical companies inventing hundreds of new medications for depression? Do you think that drugs like oxycodone are necessary and not over prescribed?

    If you answered yes to any of those questions, and you have a problem with marijuana, you need to do your research. Marijuana is not nearly as dangerous as any of those substances. Legalizing it will not lead to the fall of civilization or a higher number of addicts in our country. Big corporations are already producing all the addicts our country could ever ask for.

  125. Vote Yes Says:

    In response to Brad:

    Really Brad? You think that legalizing marijuana will lead to the failing of our workforce and armed services? You are really going to compare marijuana use with opium addiction?

    It’s not your fault. You just made my earlier point for me. You, like most Americans, are completely uneducated and misinformed about marijuana. You have been misled by our nations educators and politicians. You probably actually believe that using marijuana is as dangerous as being addicted to opiates.

    That mentality is what has led to such a huge drug addiction problem in the US. See my first reply on this page for clarification.

  126. Catherine Says:

    I completely agree with you on this subject. Especially the remark about alcohol causing much more damage. How many people are killed in drunk driving accidents each year? But I have heard from a few people that now, if you are caught with non medical marijuana in Michigan, it is now a felony instead of a misdemeanor. Is that correct? My best friend uses marijuana for her spinal cord and brain injuries, she says it’s the only thing that helps her pain. She use to take vicodin but her whole body eventually became dependant on it, so she dropped the vicodin. So I complately agree with your statements on this issue.

  127. Pot Smoker Says:

    gonna smoke all day and all night what anyone says baby and I dont give a shit what anyone thinks about it

  128. Jeri Vincent Says:

    When does prop 1 go into effect? You refer to time limits for when they must be ready to issue cards etc…when does this become law?

  129. MFP Says:

    the bill goes into effect dec 4th with an additional 120 days to issue and regulate cards.

    after reading most of the comment here before and after it passed, its halarious at how everysingle person who opposed it had no real reason for opposing it. while all the people who voted it in, spoke with conviction on the subject and really got the point across. its incredibly sad to see how much our government has brainwashed its citizens.😦
    we can all hope for full blown decriminalization.

    oh and on another note, compare caffine to marijuana, its sold to kids everywhere and is faarrr more addicting then marijuana, ive seen people in my family basicly relapsing from not having pepsi or some other product with caffine. its disgusting.
    i dont use any drugs nor would i ever, but i will use the wouderfull drug called marijuana till the day i die.
    i read in an article recently that the brain has natural occurring brain receptors.
    here is the link :

    http://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/brainstorm/br591101.htm

  130. sam Says:

    yea just wanted to say that the government did outlaw alcohol back in the day, and it didnt really work out

  131. Vote Yes Says:

    Catherine:

    To my knowledge, there was no wording in the proposal that would change the current laws for possession, manufacturing, or distribution. If you are illegally in possession of a certain amount or more, you will be charged with a felony. If you are growing it illegally or distributing it illegally, again you will be charged with a felony.

    MFP:

    Good point about the caffeine. It is a physically addictive substance and children of all ages are abusing it. It sometimes amazes me how our government picks and chooses what substances they are going to “take on” and criminalize.

  132. Jeffrey J Says:

    Dawn you obviously dont smoke pot, which is fine, but for one thing it is not hard to find weed. And the last place i would be looking for is in a dark alley. What kind of business man opens shop in the back of a dark alley. Weed is so common these days i have a choice between four or five people to buy from, and theyre all people i trust.
    There is a problem. For years the pubic has been subjected to all these false facts in commercials and shit. People just need to understand that there is ONE factor that makes marijuana look bad. There is one reason you can put weed in the same class as cocaine or x, and there is one reason half my friends at some point have been on probation… Because it is illegal, and that’s it. If i had to decide which is the least hazardous between drinking or smoking bud, or smoking cigarettes even, i would choose weed…
    And does anyone have any idea how amazing the chronic is that you can get for your medical weed? Northern lights, G-13,White widow, Bubble Berry, Purple Haze! I get a lil chubby just thinking about it…

  133. Nikki Says:

    So0o0o to the voice of reason, has it ever came to thought that maybe those persciptions that they already have are not working. my mom has chronic back pain and all the pills don’t do anything for her anymore.(it’s called a tolerence) The doctors cant allow her to take a higher dosage of the pill because then she would die. Now with weed if you smoke alot you still get a tolerence but its not going to hurt you to just start smoking more.

  134. mike Says:

    i think that this proposal is one of the best thinks that michigan could have come up with because there was no reason for this state not to have mj for medical conditions when there are several states that have it and there doing just fine with it so for all those people out there that think that this proposal shouldnt have pass GET OVER IT!!!!!

  135. JAMMIN'-JOKER Says:

    HELL YEAH, I HAVE F.S.H-MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY AND SMOKE THE STREET WEED FOR MY CONDITION AND SOLD A LITTLE PERSONAL TO HELP PAY MY BILLS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN DENIED MY DISABILITY BENIFITS FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND LOST MY JOB OF 12 YEARS WITH GLEN’S MARKET-SPARTAN FOOD STORES.BEACUSE OF MY PHYSICAL ABILITY…SO LEGAL LIZE MY MEDICINE AND STOP FUCKING THE GOOD PEOPLE WHO DESERVE THE BENIFITS AND RIGHTS OF FAIR TREATMENT…THANKZ THE JOKER….KEEP ON SMOKIN’ THOSE JOINTS!…

  136. JAMMIN'-JOKER Says:

    HELL YEAH, I HAVE F.S.H-MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY AND SMOKE THE STREET WEED FOR MY CONDITION AND SOLD A LITTLE PERSONAL TO HELP PAY MY BILLS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN DENIED MY DISABILITY BENIFITS FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND LOST MY JOB OF 12 YEARS WITH GLEN’S MARKET-SPARTAN FOOD STORES.BEACUSE OF MY PHYSICAL ABILITY…I GOT BUSTED BY UNDERCOVER COP BROUGHT TO MY HOUSE BY A SO CALLED FRIEND-NARK ROGER ALWARD OF PETOSKEY,MICHIGAN-SO LEGAL LIZE MY MEDICINE AND STOP FUCKING THE GOOD PEOPLE WHO DESERVE THE BENIFITS AND RIGHTS OF FAIR TREATMENT…THANKZ THE JOKER….KEEP ON SMOKIN’ THOSE JOINTS!…

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  138. jess dryer Says:

    i think the whole thing sucks i do not want it passed. i am loosing my wife because of it. she has hep c but has kept it under control for the past 9 yrs. she has no pain or discomfort. but she is hooked on it. and the only reason she wonts it legalized so she can stay high.she smokes it for pleasure only. it just makes me sick. and now iam loosing her. to me she is a drug attic, she wont admit it but she cant quite.i am very alone now. and it hurts.

  139. Vote Yes Says:

    Jess,

    There has NEVER been a study that indicates that marijuana has ANY physically addictive characteristics. Likewise, there has never been one documented case of someone being physically addicted to it. It sounds to me like your wife doesn’t want to stop. It’s sad that you are so quick to label your own wife a drug addict, and say that her actions make you sick. Your poor support system is probably what made her want to start smoking in the first place. Obviously, the marijuana is offering her more comfort than her husband. You are so alone because you are busy passing judgment on your own wife. Get off your high horse (no pun intended) and show your wife some support. Hell, maybe you should even open your mind and fire one up with her. That’s called bonding Jess!

  140. look in the fine print Says:

    Did anyone ever notice that they spelled marijuana wrong in the proposed amendment? If the name marijuana is spelled marihuana then it will always be illegal to smoke even if you get a card.. busted… will be turning yourselves in… It will not be illegal to smoke marihuana but will still be illegal to smoke marijuana. This whole thing is bogus.

    Ron

  141. inkslwc Says:

    Ron, “marihuana” is a correct alternate spelling of the word. Any judge who throws the proposal out because of that needs to be removed from his bench immediately.

  142. Vote Yes Says:

    Come on Ron!

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  144. Max101st Says:

    It seems the 16% who voted NO are now trying to rewrite the law by making it such a complicated breaucratic mess that people who need the medication either wont be able to recieve an ID card or avoid the law entirely.
    Recently, I went to my family doctor and asked him what his views were on the subject. I have Hep-C which I believe I contracted during my service as an infantry soldier with the 101st Abn Div 1969-70. I first found out I was positive in 1999 after another member of my unit passed away from complications of the disease.
    My (former) Dr. got a “sly” look on his face and said, “We are about the same age, I was in college during the war, we all knew you guys did a lot of, (same ole stigma) drugs over there…I am personaly against it.”
    I didnt say a thing because I realized how backward this person was, ten years ago I would have punched him out.
    The reality here is Marijuana is a excellent medication that can be used in a variety of situations. Scientific American took out a full page ad in one edition pleading with the government to limit restrictions for scientific study saying, “The medicinal marijuana possibilitys are enormous”.
    As a combat veteran who has a terminal disease such as myself, I am outraged at the government intervention in our lives.
    After being treated for eleven months with Interferon-Alpha 2b injections and Ribavirin I went from 195lbs to 140lbs, I use marijuana for weight gain and it is quite effective keeping me at my present weight.
    I would like to not break the law but if the Michigan Heath Dept which is setting the law up continues to try and add restrictions and amendments to the law, then Im not going to bother with it.
    I live in a tourist town and a lot of revenue is made from arresting people with Marijuana on vacation, its absurd.

  145. inkslwc Says:

    If you don’t mind sharing, what town?

  146. KingJamesLxix Says:

    Does anyone know how depression could be added to the list of conditions applicable for medical marijuana. Cause I have a couple of old friends who now live in California who are prescribed MM for Depression. And how long before it has a chance to be added!!!

    Thanxxxxx!!!

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  148. Foxylacy Says:

    I heard that marijuana was illegalized back in 1935 or 37 but they didn’t say why. My opion is who’s business is it or has it ever been? What a person chooses to do is up to them to make that choice, ill or not. What gives anybody the right to take away another persons rights to do to themselves what they choose. We can have Alcoholics, we can have millions of americans on government medical cards getting all the drugs they want and for free and over dosing and selling them so someone else can do it too, we can have rich people and stars who can get the really good stuff and overdose and die but all thats o.k. When have you ever heard about a person overdosing on maryjane? When people who get high drive they tend to drive better then most because they don’t want to get caught or pulled over. Most people can function just fine their just in a better mood. So my question is……….WHOS THE ONES MAKING IT SO DAMB HARD for people to rule themselves and make their own choices?????????? And for those of you who choose not to I guess thats YOUR RIGHT

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