Central Michigan Life Says That a Student Told Them the Nooses Were a “Halloween Joke”

Read here for the story of the nooses if you don’t know what I’m talking about.

I just got the e-mail.  Apparently the student wrote a comment online in response to a CM Life article.  CM Life’s website said the following:

“This is mostly directed at the channel 5 news, and I thank you for not following suit yet. Bias in the news is the very reason I don’t watch it anymore. This would never have happened if I kept up on recent events.

Without ever looking at the facts, everyone just assumes that a hate crime has taken place at CMU. They ignore the fact that nooses were hung on or around Halloween. They pretend that blacks have been singled out by nooses throughout history, when many other races have been hung in larger numbers. They jump on the bandwagon because of the unfortunate incident in Jena where the convenient facts were also printed.

Those nooses were in the classroom for well over a week, and no one cared enough to even take them down. Yet, somebody was offended to the extent that the police and news became involved. Why does it have to be personal? Why can’t you just untie the things and go about your business?

Yes, these words sound cold and heartless at first glance, but truth usually is. The truth is I hung the nooses as a Halloween joke. I did not realize how nooses have been used in the recent past in Columbia and Jena as a “symbol of hate and racism” and did not realize how inappropriate it has become. Honestly, it was more a symbol of “I would rather be hung than do more work on this project” and the people involved took it in that context. If I had been aware of recent events, I would have known better than this.

No, I should not make light of the suffering of a minority. Using the noose as a symbol of racism makes people guilty of the same crime though. Do black people have any more right to be offended by a noose than anybody else? Do the more recent hangings outweigh the centuries of capital punishment? No, I think people are making light of all the hangings that were not racially motivated.

I am considering coming forward in person. I have not decided whether it will help diffuse the situation, or just give a target. I do not want to be made an example of over something I never meant in a harmful way.

To sum things up, people are overreacting badly. I am one of the least prejudiced people you could ever meet. I don’t hate anyone based on race, skin color, or nationality, I simply have a habit of making jokes that are not politically correct. I would like to apologize for my lack of taste, and to everyone who had to waste valuable time investigating the matter. Thank you for your time.

– The hanged man”

Read here for the whole story: http://www.cm-life.com/news/2007/11/19/News/Web-Post.Noose.Was.halloween.Joke-3108978.shtml?reffeature=htmlemailedition

Now, hold on – I thought that you didn’t know the meaning of the joke, but you just said that it was “politically [in]correct”?  That doesn’t make much sense to me.

I think this post is legit – at least in that the poster really is the kid.  My thoughts on his post, BULL CRAP!  Who doesn’t know the meaning of hanging nooses?  The kid racist pig is trying to make himself look good as he came to the police.  I’d like to hear him try to make a logical argument out of this one – in fact, I’m going to try and get that.  I’ll get a comment on the CM Life’s site inviting him to this thread to make a “logical” defense for himself.

Done Ranting,

Ranting Republican

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27 Responses to “Central Michigan Life Says That a Student Told Them the Nooses Were a “Halloween Joke””

  1. Laura Matthews Says:

    You are such a liberal, seriously.

    What happened to free speech? I’m a graduate of CMU and I’m a proud conservative. I don’t support lynching a noose, it’s despicable and immature, but it’s free speech. It isn’t a crime.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a stunt by a left-winger to get campus sympathies for pro-diversity propaganda.

  2. inkslwc Says:

    I’m a liberal. HAHA. Wow. OK, now that I’ve recovered from that startling accusation, I’ll give you a little law lesson.

    1st, you don’t lynch a noose, you lynch a person with a noose, but that’s beside the point.

    Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13, § 245

    (b) Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, by force or threat of force willfully injures, intimidates or interferes with, or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with—
    (1) any person because he is or has been, or in order to intimidate such person or any other person or any class of persons from—
    (A) voting or qualifying to vote, qualifying or campaigning as a candidate for elective office, or qualifying or acting as a poll watcher, or any legally authorized election official, in any primary, special, or general election;
    (B) participating in or enjoying any benefit, service, privilege, program, facility, or activity provided or administered by the United States;
    (C) applying for or enjoying employment, or any perquisite thereof, by any agency of the United States;
    (D) serving, or attending upon any court in connection with possible service, as a grand or petit juror in any court of the United States;
    (E) participating in or enjoying the benefits of any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance; or
    (2) any person because of his race, color, religion or national origin and because he is or has been—
    (A) enrolling in or attending any public school or public college;
    (B) participating in or enjoying any benefit, service, privilege, program, facility or activity provided or administered by any State or subdivision thereof;
    (C) applying for or enjoying employment, or any perquisite thereof, by any private employer or any agency of any State or subdivision thereof, or joining or using the services or advantages of any labor organization, hiring hall, or employment agency;
    (D) serving, or attending upon any court of any State in connection with possible service, as a grand or petit juror;
    (E) traveling in or using any facility of interstate commerce, or using any vehicle, terminal, or facility of any common carrier by motor, rail, water, or air;
    (F) enjoying the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations of any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which provides lodging to transient guests, or of any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility which serves the public and which is principally engaged in selling food or beverages for consumption on the premises, or of any gasoline station, or of any motion picture house, theater, concert hall, sports arena, stadium, or any other place of exhibition or entertainment which serves the public, or of any other establishment which serves the public and
    (i) which is located within the premises of any of the aforesaid establishments or within the premises of which is physically located any of the aforesaid establishments, and
    (ii) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such establishments; or

    (b)(5) any citizen because he is or has been, or in order to intimidate such citizen or any other citizen from lawfully aiding or encouraging other persons to participate, without discrimination on account of race, color, religion or national origin, in any of the benefits or activities described in subparagraphs (1)(A) through (1)(E) or subparagraphs (2)(A) through (2)(F), or participating lawfully in speech or peaceful assembly opposing any denial of the opportunity to so participate—
    shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both

    It then goes on to discuss if bodily harm comes as a result of the hate crime, which is irrelevant here.

    Last I checked, a noose is something intimidating that interferes with attending a public college, therefore making it a hate crime and thus illegal.

  3. Laura Matthews Says:

    Well, let me remind you it’s illegal to practice law or provide legal advice without being a member of the Bar Association in Michigan. So there’s you lesson in the law.

    Either way, this isn’t a hate crime. It’s free speech; like it not, so is cross burning and burning the American flag.

    And you are a liberal. You support the coward named Chuck Hagel.

  4. inkslwc Says:

    Defined by the State Bar of Michigan:

    When a person or company says or does something on behalf of another person that involves legal discretion or making a decision about legal matters, that is the practice of law. It is the unauthorized practice of law for a person to exercise legal discretion on behalf of another person, or practice law for another person, when they are not legally authorized to do so.

    So, how am I practicing law – if you’re gonna b.s. me – you’re gonna have to do better than that.

    And I don’t support Hagel anymore – he’s not running, so I’ved moved on. And on a side note – his Iraq plan of moving to the borders makes perfect sense.

  5. Tim Buck Says:

    “Honestly, it was more a symbol of “I would rather be hung than do more work on this project” and the people involved took it in that context.”
    WTF?!

  6. Tim Buck Says:

    Laura: burning a cross in someone else’s yard is in fact a hate crime which is not protected free speech.

  7. inkslwc Says:

    Tim, you may be right (but I think the kid really knew what hanging a noose means to 99% of normal America), but intent plays no part in the law in this case. The kid committed a hate crime whether he meant to or not and should pre prosecuted for that hate crime.

    And Laura, I just noticed, you never addressed my quote of the Federal Law – how is it not a hate crime? It intimidates somebody based on race. So stop trying to shift the angle on to me with your b.s. about practicing law (and if you really think I’m practicing law, here’s the link to report me: http://www.michbar.org/public_resources/ComplaintForm.pdf)

  8. Laura Matthews Says:

    Cross burning is actually legal. The ACLU has sued on this several times.

    Should flag burning be a hate crime?

    This is despicable, but it’s free speech.

  9. inkslwc Says:

    Flag burning isn’t intimidating. Look – it’s not free speech if it intimidates somebody. I don’t know how you aren’t getting this – but if it intimidates somebody it’s a hate crime. That’s the LEGAL definition. Where are you getting your “definition” of hate crime?

  10. Laura Matthews Says:

    I don’t believe in hate crimes. We have existing laws on the book and there isn’t a need for special classes of persons. We’re all equal under the law.

  11. inkslwc Says:

    Well, you may not believe in them, but Federal and Isabella prosecutors do, and frankly you’re opinion won’t matter here unless you’re on a jury, and seeing that you don’t even believe that hate crimes exist, I’m guessing that you wouldn’t be selected.

    Furthermore, it’s pointless to continue this debate since you refuse to accept the basic laws that govern this situation. You may disagree with a law (as I disagree with some), but you still have to uphold it, and failure to do this leads to a slippery slope of distruction, care-free attitudes about crime, and eventually anarchy.

  12. Rob Moroni Says:

    I am a white person. I was in Washington D.C. last week I felt very INTIMIDATED by by hundreds of people who were BLACK in color WILLFULLY protesting against WHITES on the PUBLIC street.

    The protesting groups WILFULL act INTERFERED with my passage to and fro a PUBLIC street.

    For this and for other reasons, including the signs they were forcing me to read as they displayed them and the sounds that they were forcing me to listen as they voiced then, they should have ALL been CRIMINALLY charged under Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13, § 245

  13. Rob Moroni Says:

    It’s my understanding by Federal legal experts that either “force” or “threat” must exists under United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13, § 245(a) in order for violators to be charged, fined and/or imprisoned for committing a crime against said code.

    In the CMU “noose” incident, there was neither FORCE nor THREATS made to anyone. Therefore, prepare yourself to be not surprised by when there are NO criminal or “hate crime” charges brought Federally against any person alleged to display the nooses on campus.

    While some may feel that the act of hangin nooses is WRONG, in fact, there are NO FEDERAL LAWS against it.

    This isn’t the first time that people have done things which were “wrong” but left uncharged of any crimes; another popular and recent example of this was when the Internet evolved and there were no laws against “cyber squatting” as there are today.

  14. Rob Moroni Says:

    You wrote: “Last I checked, a noose is something intimidating that interferes with attending a public college, therefore making it a hate crime and thus illegal.”….

    However, what you wrote does NOT make the noose incident a hate crime.

    Either one of 2 elements required under Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13, § 245(a) , “force” or “threat”, are missing from the CMU noose incident.

    Furthermore, there is NO Legal Definition of “Hate Crime”. The word “HATE” is NOT EVEN Written in US Code Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13, § 245. I challenge you to find the word “HATE” anywhere in the code, which can be found on-line at: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+18USC245 .

    For your knowledge, the term “hate crime” was a paraphrase allegedly concocted by black people in error and in their apparent ignorance and communicated by misinformed journalists in the print, TV, and radio. Anyone who continues to refer to said Code to define the parameter of a “hate crime” remains seriously misinformed.

  15. inkslwc Says:

    I know there is no definition of hate crime in there – I simply chose to use it.

    To resond to a few of your comments:

    The blacks in D.C. should be charged and punished to the full extent of the law.

    A noose (at least by most people) would be seen as a threat, and it is my understanding that intent does not have to play an active role in proving the man guilty, although it could certainly hurt his defense (similar to sexual harassment cases). Again – I’m not defending the black protestors – I just think that if we crack down on all criminals, we’ll have less crime.

  16. Rob Moroni Says:

    I have a screen shot where this web site identified line (b) to be line (a) of Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13, § 245 and referenced it as “(a)” in my response just for identidification purposes, but thank you for correcting your error anyway. I hope the link to the Code that I provided you helped!

    Again, “Hate” is not defined as a crime in US Code, much like definition is provided for “murder”, “embezzlement”, “manslaughter”, for example. The choice of words is critical especially in legal discussions such as this. In these examples, when would it be correct to use “murder” as opposed to “manslaughter”….do you know?

    Has anyone ever suggested to you to chose your words carefully, even if it is your privilege to call something anything you want? Words selected for legal terms and definitions are carefully selected in drafting legal provisions, and if discussions surrounding issues and legal stipulation of Law is concerned, the I would suggest using the “Language if Law” or “legalese” ought to be the language of choice. As much as we all would sometimes like to, we simple can’t at time call something anything WE want. The use of one’s language also often reveals one’s intelligience and knowledge to issues at hand. I would be less open to listen to dialect if someone said decided by their choice to say “Hate Crime against a Nigger” as opposed to hearing them say “Crime committed against the Civil Rights of an African American”.

    A noose is a rope with a knot in it or, in the case of CMU, rubber hose that is not life threatening; nor is it a weapon unlike a gun or a knife. A noose used for a tasteless joke or ignorant expression of one’s prejudice, perhaps. And your assumption that “a noose at least by most people would be seen as a threat” is baseless and just that, your assumption. I would safely say that guns haved threatened, harmed, or killed more people than a rope.

    No one has come forth expressing endagerment for their life or of being harmed, nor has the noose incident at CMU forced or interfered with anyone from their ATTENDANCE to their classes or restricted their movement on campus. In my last post on this blog about this subject I can provide, these are elements which must be proven for obtaining a conviction that US Code Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13, § 245 was violated.

    Thank you!

  17. Rob Moroni Says:

    Ooops….thought I wrote my last post, but I just wanted to say….I read again what I posted and beg forgiveness of the typos in it. I really do know how to spell, just sometimes can’t type! Thanks for understanding this shortcoming of mine!

  18. inkslwc Says:

    I agree with you – hate crime doesn’t have legal standing – but that doesn’t matter. Most Americans understand the concept. Besides, when I use legal terms, such as Aggravated 2nd Degree Battery, people argue with me over the basic definition even as I’m quoting it from Louisiana Law (https://inkslwc.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/the-jena-6-yes-unfortunately-america-is-still-racist/).

    Is it a clear cut crime that was committed? No – which is why a jury would decide here. Is there potential – absolutely. It may go to Grand Jury (depending on who takes up the case) – and if they decide not to send it to trial – I’d be fine w/ that. If a jury finds the kid not guilty – I’ll accept it (I won’t be happy, but I won’t be outraged). We just need to crack down more on the law and start prosecuting people more, and crimes would decrease significantly.

  19. Matt B Says:

    On November 19, 2007 at 11:31 PM , you wrote “The kid committed a hate crime whether he meant to or not and should pre prosecuted for that hate crime.”

    That’s quite a different assertion to what you wrote on November 23, 2007 at 5:38 PM – “Is it a clear cut crime that was committed? No – which is why a jury would decide here.”

    Whatever in 4 days made you CHANGE YOUR POSITION?

    I’ve issues with the United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13, § 245 (what has been called the “Hate Crime” law) in that it wasn’t used against a 43 year old BLACK MAN charged with a felony for his actions that included placing a NOOSE AROUND THE NECK of a statue of BLACK Tupac Amaru Shakur at the Center for the Arts in Stone Mountain, Georgia.

    http://allhiphop.com/blogs/news/archive/2007/11/06/18842397.aspx

    It took a couple of weeks for the accused to be caught, in the meantime, the Internet was buzzing “HATE CRIME, RACISM, WHITEY THIS, WHITEY THAT, NO JUSTICE FOR BLACKS” and all that nonsense was egg on the faces for those who wrote it.

    AFTER the accuser was charged, there’s just as much buzzing by BLACKS who’ve been writing that they had “hoped the guy who got caught was WHITE.”

    Two things occur to me here.

    1. Blacks can hang NOOSES anywhere they want, and even if they are caught, get away with it, as in this case.

    2. The BLACK people who were (erroneously) pointing their fingers at WHITES before the accuser was caught, calling whites RACISTs, etc., obviously are full of HATE towards whites and should be charged with hate crime.

  20. Matt B Says:

    One more thing to my post (above)…….

    To the BLACKS who staged a PUBLIC protest at CMU over the noose incident….

    How are they so sure that a white person did it, and if the person who did it was black, do you think he should be charged with a hate crime? Would you post a PUBLIC apology to the WHITE race since you have been assuming the person who did it at CMU is WHITE? Do you protesters WISH the noose hanger is white?

    Some wonder if the BLACK protesters themselves are just so wrapped up in HATE towards WHITE people that the NOOSE incident just gave them a spark to demonstrate about it, and isn’t it funny that the RACE of the CMU noose incident remains still unkown.

  21. inkslwc Says:

    Nothing really changed MY opinion – I just kinda switched view points – I personally think it’s a hate crime, and if I were the prosecutor, I’d go all out – get him with everything I can. On the otherhand, I see that if yall have such a problem seeing my point of view, so might a jury – but my personal opinion hasn’t changed. I say charge him and book him into Jackson State Pen. or wherever.

    Second – as I’ve stated before, all the blacks who’ve hung nooses or made racist remarks need to be punished to the FULL extent of the law.

    And as a little side note – protests like the ones that were held at CMU do NOT help the situation – people, the cops are dealing with it – your protest isn’t helping – so shut up and go to class – b/c you protested and even blocked sidewalks (I know, I was there trying to take a CLEP test) – but that’s off topic. Trust me – I don’t support blacks who play the race card, but I don’t support racist whites (or blacks) for that matter either.

  22. CMU Student Says:

    Matt B:

    Actually, I was at the protest and I am white. I helped stage it as well.

  23. inkslwc Says:

    OK, you interferred with sidewalk traffic.

  24. Jelani Says:

    The nooses were found hanging on Nov 16th and Halloween was Oct 31st.. Some people dont find Nooses offensive that may be because they’re not Black living in America. Yes, many different races were lynched (i.e White Abolitionists) but most Black men were lynched for having sex (consensual) with a white woman and it being called rape or being a prominent figure in their community. He clearly doesn’t like Blacks…

  25. Coop Says:

    Okay folks–we are never going to have equality in this world if people keep jumping and labeling things as racial. Let’s all accept that the past is in the past and work to change the future. Stop assuming that everyone is out to get you. Grow up–do you think that you are that important that someone wants to target you? To those that pull the “race card”–you are not the center of the world–quit! I do not view things or people as race. I view people as people and always have! I raise my kids in this manner also.

    Nooses have been used with other races, religious beliefs, other countries–I cannot accept or even think of a noose as only intended for a certain race. If you want to quote history–then look at ALL history. Stop blaming anyone for your lot in life. No one gets to choose their skin color–but they do get to choose to be happy with their life.

    If you want equality–then let it first start with yourself. Every single person on this planet can trace some mistreatment of their being to another person or group of people be it race or religion or gender. Don’t believe me–study history. Quit playing the victim and move on!

    It makes me sick to think that the first thing that I saw about this incident was interviews with people (on tv) who claimed that this had to be racially motivated. Well–folks–maybe someone needs to look into the mirror and ask themselves who made it a racial issue? Then ask themselves why.

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